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Subj: Re: I have to agree with most of your points, although I was still REALLY impressed by it. Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 12:48:00 am EDT (Viewed 3 times) | Reply Subj: I have to agree with most of your points, although I was still REALLY impressed by it. Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:58:32 pm EDT (Viewed 405 times) | |||||||
Yeah, but thinking through the terrorist analogy led me to some unpleasant associations. Essentially, this movie comes across as George Bush's wet dreams of himself. First, and most obvious, is that Batman is completely willing to tap and spy on every citizen in Gotham if it will help him catch this dangerous terrorist. He doesn't hesitate to resort to torture in order to get information... Not just intimidation, mind you... actual torture. What's more, his main objection to Harvey himself torturing that one guy is that it would be bad if the public found out about it. (Note that neither he nor Harvey ever have qualms about using information gathered through torture committed by shadow agents (aka Batman himself), so it's all about the political appearance rather than any inherent immorality in the act itself.) And in the end of the film, the most noble thing that Batman can do is withhold the truth from the public and allow them to hate him, all for their own good. I'm sure this is going to be a favorite in the White House. But really, the morality of Batman movies have always been botched at best. At this point, I have trouble understanding Batman's stand against killing. It's obviously not due to any inherent belief in the sanctity of human life (as witnessed by the "I don't have to save you" from the last movie). Nor is it apparently due to any belief in the system or the law, judging by the way he tramples it in this flick. Really, it just comes across as him not wanting to get his hands dirty. Ultimately, I think the Joker is right... in these movies, any morality applied by the characters seems to be arbitrary and a sham.
I really liked him, although I felt the switch to evil seemed rather arbitrary... But that was probably because, again, I didn't really "feel" the death of Rachel.
Rachel was a horribly written role in the last movie, and just a plot device here. Really, Batman movies have never managed much of a connection in love stories... They're closer to James Bond movies than something love-story driven like Superman or Spider-man. (Even the last James Bond movie wasn't able to make me feel anything when his girlfriend died.)
I really liked the convict on the ship scene... and it was perfectly believable that there would be a single guy there willing to take charge and put an end to things. However, I wasn't nearly as convinced by the civilian's side of things. Sorry, but the Joker had made his point too well to make me believe there was nobody who was willing to press that button.
I really liked him... I just wish there had been more chemistry between him and Bale as Batman. Mostly, Bale just growled through all their scenes together. Batman was totally outclassed by his adversary.
Well, I think they can either coast on the success of this one (and coast a long way, from the look of things) or they can try to keep public interest at a fever pitch by offering a new take on Selina Kyle/Catwoman next time out. People have forgotten that Halle Berry film ever existed, and she's the biggest character they could bring in next. Anyway, while it's easier for me to go off on the things that weren't perfect, it was still a very well done and entertaining movie. | ||||||||
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