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Subj: Re: A Novel Problem
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:50:20 am EDT (Viewed 657 times)
Reply Subj: Re: A Novel Problem
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 at 04:55:44 am EDT (Viewed 5 times)



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    "Mac" is a nickname given because of the band.


Even if that's true, the RIAA may not be so understanding.



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    Lye or Li is a play on worlds for Lie, as in untruth, and there's a whole story reason for that pseudonym that I've never got round to telling. In the Parodyverse I refer to him as Mr Li and I think I might go back to that for the novel.


That might work, since it's a fairly common name people will have to think about to get.



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    I know about the London Necropolis Company, that fine Victorian firm that owned various major cemetaries and dominated the undertaking world. They even operated their own funereral railway trains, complete with black crepe and plumes, to specially built railway stations within their cementaries (one for Anglicans, one for Catholics, and one for non-conformists like methodists and Baptists). When I first used them as inspiration for villains I actually called them the London Necropolis Company; Westminster Necropolis Company is me trying to change the name to avoid a real-life institution.


Noted.



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      Also isn't the Chain Knight too closely related to the Hellraiser franchise?



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    I've never seen the Hellraiser movies so I wouldn't know.


You should really watch the first Hellraisers movie before using any reference to them. Like Nightmare on Elm Street, the production company is very protective of the still-lucrrative franchise.



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    In actual fact the five members of the PV Hellraisers team were all loosly inspired by the creatures in an old video game called Dungeon Keeper. Amongst the various creatures available for deployment are the Knight, the Dungeon Mistress, the Bile Demon (a vile obsese farting creature), the Vampire, and the feral Horned Reaper. When I wanted a pack of monsters I re-dressed some of these to offer backgrounds, powers, and motives. I hope that what I did with them was sufficiently original to move them far away from their original jokey source.


It's possible Hellraisers ripped off from the game - but now they practically own the franchise, and still sell toys.



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    Sir Lucian, the Chain Knight, was the one that was most original. His inspiration in the game was simply a knight in armour. The prehensile chains, the bloody armour, the abilities with locks and bonds, his origin and everything else were all from me.


I do remember one of the Hellraisers characters used chains with meathooks on them. No armor though.



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    I didn't mean to imply my intention to remove Vinnie from the Parodyverse. I know some authors prefer to do that with their creations but I think with Vinnie that ship has sailed. He's here and he's staying. His alternate-reality self can star in a book in another part of the multiverse. Likewise the various other characters I mentioned as accompanying him are still around in the PV and available for use. Hell, if I took all my characters home I'd be wandering off with a fair old percentage of the total cast.


I admit as late at night as I posted that reply, I assumed since you were publicly posting your notice, you were warning us all to stop using Vinnie for now. \:\)



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    As far as I'm concerned, providing nobody's making a profit off my work, Vinnie and the rest are like every other PV character, free for people to write about on the Parodyverse board. As his creator I presumably get some say in how he's used, in the same way I try to accord other creators control over how I use their characters. Other than that, all the characters here probably get covered by that provision in copyright law about use of characters for parody purposes anyhow.




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    We're suffering from low turnout, that's for sure. But I didn't mean to imply I'm taking anything away from the PV, including myself of occasional Vinnie stories.


That last part was direct from me more than a generality. I guess I'm discovering that I like writing, but the *quality* of it seems to be audience-driven. The better the response, the more I'm motivated to include more detail. If I'm just posting to try to keep the PVB alive, I tend to keep the stories shorter and quicker moving.

Unfortunately, the latter doesn't make good practice for decent writing. So I'm lamenting a bit that the low turnout is making me *less* capable of producing publish-worthy writing, and practice-wise I'm becoming less and less capable of maintaining the quality necessary. So now I'm a little envious because of the hole I've fallen into while others are finding the success I feel like I'm now far, far away from.

That feeling also is because I get the sense that for half of the tiny audience here, my stories, or style, or use of characters, or just that it's me posting it, does not motivate them to read or reply or stick around despite my somewhat frequent posting. That, for lack of better reasoning, tells me I don't quite have the magic necessary to draw an audience, which is necessary for real success.



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    In other words, the changes you suggest are probably happening naturally.


I agree that it's organic, what I meant is because we're losing people *now*, perhaps the process needs to be accelerated a bit. Right now we're stuck in an awful cycle where as the poster-characters are forcibly retired, and no new ones are added, the cast is shrinking. As the cast shrinks, we lose more poster-characters. See where this is headed?

I think if more non-poster-characters are added - and Visionary has provided quite a few, Al B Harper a couple, etc, so I know posters can do this - the stories will no longer be strangled by a restrictively small cast. Posters may stop by from time to time to see how their fictional creation is doing even though they don't have a personal stake in the characters' names anymore.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I think.



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    Now we can't physically erase every reference made to Scott's characters without deleting roughly 60% of everything that was written during the Scott years. Nor would Scott expect it. All we can do is respect his wishes regarding the characters and keep things as open as possible so that if Scott gets bitten by the PV bug once more he can slip back in.


What I see in common among people who left seems to be (at least what I've seen) that this is a childlike place to be outgrown and left behind when it's time to "grow up" - i.e. get married, raise a family, get a real job, etc. Then again, there are some of us who refuse to grow up. \:\)

Then again, maybe people feel the need to "outgrow" the PV because it doesn't grow with them. A lot of the stories seem to be related to Marvel crossovers or Avengers. At the same time, when a lot of people reach a certain stage in life, they start to feel like reading Marvel comics isn't appropriate anymore - and consequently, the PV is the baby thrown out with the bathwater.

So it's great that the PVB has it's humorous namesake comedy/parody/dramatic stories, but maybe it also needs stuff that's darker, or even more humorous, or even far different - oddly enough like World Class, which I'm still struggling to draw an audience with. Or in short, stuff that people won't feel like reading it at work during a lunch break will get them fired.

The trick is figuring out what to post (and how to write it well), and how to draw in both the writers and the audience.






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