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Subj: Re: I finally got to see it yesterday... Really liked it! Thoughts and spoilers inside:
Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 at 07:06:25 am EDT (Viewed 1 times)
Reply Subj: I finally got to see it yesterday... Really liked it! Thoughts and spoilers inside:
Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 at 01:42:20 am EDT (Viewed 2 times)



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    It was definitely a very different feeling Marvel movie... They mixed up the story structure a good bit, and while there was a lot of action it felt like the true focus always remained on the conversations between such scenes. By nature of the story, it wasn't necessarily rousing, but I did find myself coming back to it long after I returned home. it was a very rich and filling story, despite how unresolved things may seem at the end of it.


They are certainly trying to demonstrate that lots of different story moods and styles work within the wider context of a "superhero movie".


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    Of course, I need to comment on the Vision. I still can't believe that Joss Whedon somehow failed to illustrate his main power set suitably in Age of Ultron... That's rectified here nicely as his first appearance in the film is walking through a wall, then awkwardly apologizing for the breach in etiquette (hey, the door *was* open...).


There could have been no better introduction to satisfy fans.


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    He is definitely the powerhouse with Thor and Hulk absent, and despite seeming like the coolest head present, he also seems to cause the most damage (although Giant Man gives him a run for his money in that regard.) I will say that it's a bit of a problem in that it's harder to justify why he is not doing more to actually win the fight... Whenever he pops up in the brawl, he seems mostly unstoppable and does something major, then the camera cuts and he's out of the fight for a while again.

    When I saw this for the second time it seemed clear to me that in the airport scene he was held in reserve until Stark says something like "time to get serious". He doesn't really appear until then. Even after that he is very measured in his responses right up to when the fight turns with Giant-Man's debut. I can well believe that Vizh was carefully considering his actions, especially given Wanda was on the opposite team.

    I suppose we can assume that when he's not being shown that Wanda is kicking his ass. Regardless, I doubt it's much of a problem to people who weren't so focused on that specific character.


All the airport (and other) fight scenes felt reasonable in what they portrayed and how they turned out.


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    I liked the scenes between Wanda and Vizh quite a bit... Some excellent stuff there. If nothing else, the audience feels their friendship keenly. Their apology to each other was a nice moment as well, followed up by the tragic "friendly fire" incident. I'm hoping that this does get some follow-up in the next Avengers film, as it is too big to sum up with the Vision brooding alone over a chessboard in the end.


The non-comics audience seem to have picked up on the Vizh-Wanda thing and taken to it. We've not really seen a Marvel superhero romance on screen before, so this one might prove both popular and prominent.


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    I'm not entirely sure why the Vision would stick to the registration side in the long run, mind you.


I thought the "algorithm" argument was a good starting point. Vizh is on a journey between logic and humanity, and his initial argument was one of logic.

It would not surprise me in a future movie to learn he has been secretly seeing fugitive Wanda in the interim and not mentioning it to anyone.



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    In fact, I think that one of the weaknesses of the film is in leaving so few characters on the "official" team at the end. It's hard to see both sides as equal, as people selling the film tend to suggest, when Iron Man's side ends up being just Stark, Rhodey (who is likely to be recovering for a long time) and the Vision. Black Panther and the Widow changed positions, Spider-man went home. I'm curious as to how they're going to refill the ranks there, if they do at all.


I think that was a deliberate move. And while I doubt the movie folks care at all, it nicely explains why a team of Avengers aren't there to stop Hive from taking over the world in the current Agents of SHIELD.


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    I actually liked this version of Zemo myself, on the condition that this was just an introduction to the character. If indeed this was all they have planned for him, then it is indeed a waste. But I can't help but wonder if they might be looking to do a version of the Thunderbolts, perhaps following the Infinity Guantlet stuff... And bringing Zemo back as Citizen V could be pretty exciting, especially if they use that raft prison to keep alive more villains from future movies to fill out the ranks. I can't help but notice that Atlas uses Pym Particles, Sonbird uses Klaw's tech, MACH 5 is a Spider-man foe, and Moonstone has crossed paths with Ms. Marvel in the comics... That all aligns nicely with the upcoming slate of films between now and the next phase of the MCU. Sure, it's unlikely that they'd match the line-up so closely (they could certainly work the Fixer in near anywhere, although I might consider swapping him out for Sam Rockwell's Justin Hammer instead, and I personally think that they should bring back the Abomination eventually...) but it's interesting to see how easily the pieces for the original Thunderbolts could be set up from where the MCU stands now.


It would be nice, but I feel Zemo needs a lot of work.


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    I could probably fill many rambling paragraphs about the film, but I'll save any more for another time. Suffice to say, I quite enjoyed it and recommend it!


More comment is good.