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> As I said before, the Joker just never fully worked as a character. That's why I much prefer Harley Quinn... you're not supposed to take her seriously as a real threat, so the clowning around works.
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Ever see or read "It"? Or heard of a jolly fellow named John Wayne Gacy? Believe me, nothing's scarier than a homicidal clown. Joker seems alot more plausible to me than Harley Quinn, who I admit I've only seen in a couple Batman cartoons.
> I don't really think too highly of the whole serial killer angle either, as serial killers only are successful as long as you can't find them. As soon as they're standing in the middle of a street with a machine-gun laden motorcycle zeroing in on them, they're pretty much done.
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Well, when I said it's good that the new Batman films are more realistic than previous interpretations, obviously there's a point where it can become so realistic it's not entertaining. If the whole movie was Joker luring people into various alleys and knifing them, the movie would get boring pretty quickly. Let's also remember that there's a man in a giant bat-suit who jumps from building to building and takes the law into his own hands, and he hasn't been caught either.
> So I have problems with the Joker either way.
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> > On top of all this, a few years ago I may have joined you in being skeptical about Ledger but he's proved his acting chops with "Brokeback Mountain." He's come a long way since his teen movies from the late 90's. I don't see Nicholson in his performance at all. I see someone with the potential to be a better Joker than Nicholson ever was. In Nolan I trust.
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> I've got no beef against Ledger as an actor... but we watched this trailer in my office today and two other coworkers quickly chimed in noting the Nicholson voice (one said half Jack Nicholson, half Jack Palance... which I can hear too.) Regardless, he delivers almost all of the lines the same way throughout the trailer... by drawwwwwwwwing out occassional wooorrrrrrrrrds. In the trailer, at least, I find it a bit cheesy.
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Sorry, I don't see it. I really think people are looking for reasons not to like the new Joker, either because of how they think the Joker *should* be or who has previously played him (such as you) or because they have preconceived notions and bias about Ledger (shrike).
