Tales of the Parodyverse - It all seems very clear to me.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 08:07:03 pm EDT (Viewed 7 times)

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 06:58:16 pm EDT (Viewed 5 times)

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...and really, my first reaction to hearing the thing about Superman renouncing his US citizenship was "Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."

My first reaction was "Dear God, this must be what CSFB! feels like every moment of the day since "Spider-Man: Chapter One" came out!

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I know some folks were thinking only Fox News fans would have an issue with it, but while I'm not phased in the least by dropping the phrase "...and the American way", renouncing his citizenship is another thing altogether. To me, it sends the message that an American cannot have the greater good of the world in mind... That to do that, one has to distance oneself from this country. That's bullshit. What's more, it strikes me as Superman distancing himself from the country that raised him because it's easier in an age where America is polarizing.

Pretty much my feeling as well (though I am put off by the dropping of "the American Way" from Superman's mantra). The story tries to spin it that Superman does it because he doesn't want the world to see his actions as "instruments of US policy", but there are certainly less controversial and downright insulting ways to accomplish this without renouncing your citizenship.

Another question: if he's renouncing US citizenship does that mean Superman isn't subject to American law?

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Superman can be American and still differ in opinion from those in charge of the country. That's part of being an American, and standing up and offering an example of that is valuable. But hey, if it's too inconvenient for him, then I understand. I wouldn't want him to strain himself or anything.

It's just stupid and silly. Why is Superman, of all people, attempting a PR stunt to improve his public standing in a world he's saved about a million times? Wouldn't he look like less of a pussy if he just told the world that being an American citizen doesn't necessarily mean you agree with everything its government does?

Obviously, Time/Warner feel that they're going to lose the court case with the Shuster/Seigel copyright claim, so they're doing everything they can to sabotage the character before DC loses the right to use him.

More seriously, WHAT THE HELL is wrong with Americans that suddenly they seem to be ashamed of their country? I mean, sure, we Brits enjoy mocking you for your colonial eccentricities, but what's this new spirit of apologetic pandering that makes you forget all the good stuff you've brought to the world. Why is it suddenly wrong to be patriotic? Why are you forcing us Brits to say nice things about you in breach of the usual traditions?

Why is it bad to belong to a country that values freedom of speech, democracy, self-determination and human rights so much that it fought terrible wars to win them and framed a great constitution to preserve them? Why is it bad to be part of a nation that's fought tyranny at substantial cost in pretty much every major conflict that's really counted in the last century? And why is it bad to be part of a nation that actually questions and re-evaluates its values and practices all the time and learns things like slavery is wrong and segregation is immoral?

And what stupid politically-correct politically-naive thinking has led to DC's Superman decision? What's wrong with defining the American way as the people who first coined that phase did, meaning democracy and the personal liberties and personal opportunity? Or is Superman not for those now?

And speaking as a comics fan, there is NO WAY that a smart savvy journalist like Clark Kent would be dumb enough to make the kind of decision his dumb writers just did. And if he tried Lois would kick his ass all the way to Smallville.

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In order to put a more global focus on my never ending battle, I am renouncing my Parodyverse citizenship (no text) · killer shrike · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 05:42:59 pm EDT
- It would have had more impact if you said it wearing a Philip Treacy hat. (no text) · Al B. Harper · Wed May 11, 2011 at 05:51:06 am EDT
- This story made the BBC news today. (no text) · HH notes it didn't take precedence over wedding dress design however. · Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 06:50:56 pm EDT
  - It was on the CBC as well, at least online. (no text) · Hatman · Mon May 02, 2011 at 04:20:44 pm EDT
  - I wasn't aware I was so popular in England (no text) · orko shrike · Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 06:11:29 am EDT
- Superman is a terrible hero. · Messenger · Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 07:32:58 am EDT
  - Re: Superman is a terrible hero. · orko shrike · Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 01:05:01 pm EDT
    - About Batman, Hulk, Wolverine and Spidey. · Messenger · Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 12:40:28 am EDT
      - Re: About Batman, Hulk, Wolverine and Spidey. · orko shrike · Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 06:09:58 am EDT
        
        Re: About Batman, Hulk, Wolverine and Spidey. · Messenger · Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 08:10:37 am EDT
        
        Please tell me you've at least read All Star Superman, which is the best Superman comic of the last 50 years... · Nats · Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 01:29:51 pm EDT
        
        Can't say I have. · Messenger · Sun May 01, 2011 at 02:31:35 am EDT
        
        Re: Can't say I have. · Nats · Mon May 02, 2011 at 12:15:47 am EDT
        
        Re: About Batman, Hulk, Wolverine and Spidey. · orko shrike · Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 11:25:03 am EDT
  - Re: Superman is a terrible hero. · Nats · Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 11:46:42 am EDT
    - More about omnipotence... · Anime Jason · Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 12:55:44 pm EDT
- This entire thread has been gold. :) (no text) · CrazySugarFreakBoy! · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 11:59:10 pm EDT
- Well... · Nats · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 10:02:39 pm EDT
  - Re: Well... · orko shrike · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 10:24:04 pm EDT
- I will now also be calling myself "orko shrike" which is Esperanto for "killer shrike" (no text) · orko shrike doesn't want his choice of descriptor construed as an instrument of US/Anglo Linguistics · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 06:35:28 pm EDT
  - These are serious, well reasoned decisions made in response to the growing complexities of our global society, not a stunt to drum up readership (no text) · orko shrike pinky swears · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 06:40:49 pm EDT
- You know, I'm a liberal guy... · Visionary · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 06:30:06 pm EDT
  - Oh, thank God I'm not the only non-conservative who thinks this story is stupid. (no text) · CrazySugarFreakBoy! · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 11:55:40 pm EDT
    - I'm a non-conseritive and I feel the same way. Yes, I'm trapped in a state full of brian washed unthinkers but thankfully I've woken up. :) (no text) · Scott · Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 10:16:02 am EDT
  - *Demands to see your birth ceritficate* · orko shrike · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 06:58:16 pm EDT
    - It all seems very clear to me. · HH · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 08:07:03 pm EDT
      - *Stands up and claps* Please let me post this (crediting you) on Facebook. (no text) · Scott · Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 10:25:08 am EDT
      - See, now I almost feel guilty for all those times I said that Ing-Land is gay. Almost. (no text) · CrazySugarFreakBoy! · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 11:58:21 pm EDT
      - Eccentricities? Isn't your entire country taking tomorrow off for a wedding? · orko shrike · Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 08:34:26 pm EDT
        
        I assure you that some of us have been paying virtually no attention to the wedding... (no text) · Manga Shoggoth · Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 12:19:41 pm EDT
        
        You'd be more believable if you were wearing a Philip Treacy hat as you expressed that opinion.. (no text) · Al B. Harper · Wed May 11, 2011 at 05:55:15 am EDT