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Literally grey dilemmas from... the Hooded Hood |
Subject: Untold Tales of the Resolutionverse #361: The Moral Choice Posted Sat Jan 21, 2017 at 08:41:34 am EST (Viewed 12 times) | |
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Subject: So that's one person off script. [Re: Literally grey dilemmas from... the Hooded Hood] Posted Sat Jan 21, 2017 at 02:11:58 pm EST | |
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Subject: Good show by Danny. [Re: Literally grey dilemmas from... the Hooded Hood] Posted Sat Jan 21, 2017 at 07:22:51 pm EST (Viewed 932 times) | |
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Having himself nobly smited was quite the sacrifice, although I do still worry for the more flammable bits of Gaz. It was a great exploration of the consequences of the upcoming conflict, and some extreme but logical workarounds. Naturally, it goes off into unforeseen areas and some surprising cameos. And, well... some rather dark decisions needed to be made as well. We'll see how the karma of those work out. | ||
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Subject: In addition to the writer. [Re: killer shrike] Posted Sat Jan 21, 2017 at 07:29:23 pm EST | |
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Thankfully, HH will be featuring H9 next time |
Subject: This is possibly the first and only time you have approved of him. [Re: Visionary] Posted Sat Jan 21, 2017 at 07:36:56 pm EST (Viewed 3 times) | |
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Quote: Having himself nobly smited was quite the sacrifice, although I do still worry for the more flammable bits of Gaz. It was a great exploration of the consequences of the upcoming conflict, and some extreme but logical workarounds. Naturally, it goes off into unforeseen areas and some surprising cameos. And, well... some rather dark decisions needed to be made as well. We'll see how the karma of those work out.I wanted to do a scene that covered the difficulties some of the "cross-alignment" characters faced due to the enforced polarisation imperative, and Danny seemed like he offered the best opportunities to follow. At the moment I'm thinking that I'll be able to finish this story in just three more segments. Next time we have the story of kind sweet Aella, whom nothing bad could happen to. Then we pick up on some possibly-fake guy going one-on-one with the Dreaming Celestian. And then we have a conclusion. | ||
Al B. Harper Member Since: Mon Jan 04, 2016 Posts: 485 |
Subject: Very interesting development [Re: Literally grey dilemmas from... the Hooded Hood] Posted Sat Jan 21, 2017 at 07:53:16 pm EST (Viewed 915 times) | |
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Anime Jason Owner Location: Here Member Since: Sun Sep 12, 2004 Posts: 2,834 |
Subject: Is that like choosing the marshmallow man? [Re: Literally grey dilemmas from... the Hooded Hood] Posted Sat Jan 21, 2017 at 08:22:02 pm EST (Viewed 958 times) | |
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anime.mangacool.net (10.0.255.1) using Apple Safari 10.0.2 on MacOS X (0.11 points) "Choose the form of your destructor!" I wonder what happens to all of the people who don't really have any strong allegiances. For instance, the Psychic Samurai fits into either side due to her loyalty to both Akiko and the Lair Legion. I wonder if the only way the Celestian can resolve that is if she's hunted by both sides, and has to make herself scarce. And Faite has very little loyalty to either side, though her human instinct is to protect her friends. Everyone should pay close attention to her, though, because if she still has her powers that indicates the Celestian may have already decided who the winner should be. Or maybe she would end up hunted by both sides, as well, because the Celestian believes she has to die before she figures out how to stop the Resolution War. In that vein, Lara Night's loyalties would be firmly with the Lair Legion, but she also has two unfair advantages: She has the ability to spread her power across a wide area, and she has the practice to do so only to disable tech and knock people unconscious, without killing anyone. If the Celestian feels that is an unfair advantage, she might end up hunted by both sides as well (though that would turn out really badly). | ||
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Subject: You'd prefer a diet option? [Re: Anime Jason] Posted Sun Jan 22, 2017 at 09:08:48 am EST (Viewed 4 times) | |
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Quote: "Choose the form of your destructor!" Quote: I wonder what happens to all of the people who don't really have any strong allegiances.It's a bit like a little boy playing a game of soldiers with all his toys. The nuances are ignored and everyone gets arbitrarily assigned. A lot of those genuinely-grey moral characters will end up acting atypically under the imperative. Quote: For instance, the Psychic Samurai fits into either side due to her loyalty to both Akiko and the Lair Legion. I wonder if the only way the Celestian can resolve that is if she's hunted by both sides, and has to make herself scarce.She's going to get forced by the imperative to pick a side. She probably suspects it will be the good guys, since that's who she has most recently identifdied with and associated with the most. But come midnight when the imperative triggers properly, she would be fully bending all her abilities and ingenuity to eliminate anyone on the opposite side. Quote: And Faite has very little loyalty to either side, though her human instinct is to protect her friends. Everyone should pay close attention to her, though, because if she still has her powers that indicates the Celestian may have already decided who the winner should be. Or maybe she would end up hunted by both sides, as well, because the Celestian believes she has to die before she figures out how to stop the Resolution War.The Dreaming Celestain has acted to neutralise a few powers that he believes might try to thwart him. I'm deliberately skirting rounds the "ultimate power" battles because piles of "I can do anything" types clashing is very difficult to describe well and sidelines the main protagonists of this story. As I wrote into the plot a couple of issues back, the sum effect of lots of uber-powers clashing is likely to be that they cancel each other out, leaving determination of the War to the "small fry" with more mundane Earthly abilities. As usual, it's likely to come down to our regular heroes Lining Up! Quote: In that vein, Lara Night's loyalties would be firmly with the Lair Legion, but she also has two unfair advantages: She has the ability to spread her power across a wide area, and she has the practice to do so only to disable tech and knock people unconscious, without killing anyone. If the Celestian feels that is an unfair advantage, she might end up hunted by both sides as well (though that would turn out really badly).The LL have doubtless done some major threat assessments, which include some of the following thinking: 1. The bad guys' known roster includes some major energy projectors. For example, Dr Roentgen can actually cause nuclear explosions. He could nuke Paradopolis and Parody Island at one second after midnight, taking out almost all the heroes and a multi-million strong local population. Since collateral damage will no longer matter to the villains (or posibly the heroes?) he and a bunch of other mass-damage types can just cut loose looking for an early easy win. 2. The only counter for this gambit is to have any hero energy-manipulators in place to deflect, redirect, or absorb such attacks. Kerry could probably do something about a heat bloom or firestorm, for example. Lara could shield the city - or just the team if the imperative changes her priorities. 3. The bad guys are bound to know what likely defences the heroes put up, so there might be secondary attacks designed to neutralise such defenders before they can interfere. For example, there are psionic villains who might try to shut down Lara or Kerry, or magic-wielding ones who can bypass usual defences with curses, or villains capable of mass-effect biological attacks. All of those would be less easy for energy-manipulators to counter; some would "get through" to Lara's energy form. 4. The LL therefore has to use ball-game style screening and blocking tactics, with others countering such interceptions before they can work. So Sorceress or Vinnie might need to prevent magical attacks from debilitating the energy manipulators, or Al B. might need to filter out psionic attacks with some invention, or whatever. 5. But of course, the villains will be trying to bypass those defences. 6. Informing all of this might be a bunch of seer-types who can predict and counter-predict what is coming up. So Chiaki might glimpse a gambit mere seconds before it occurs, but Morgosa might then predict how the now-alerted heroes will thwart it and how to alter a different future. And so on. The upshot of this is that the battle becomes a fleet-style conflict with a range of smaller support craft screening warships and carriers. Both sides have "big guns" operators who are therefore also big targets, so some of what has to be considered is how to keep those "big guns" in play to go after their enemy counterparts. Tactically the problem is that the vilains rather outnumber the heroes, so they have more ways to simultaneously attack at multiple points in multiple ways. Finally, and this is one of the hardest aspects of the imperative, neither side will be allowed to show mercy or restraint; it is all-out war to the deaths of one side or the other. Those heroes who usually have no-kill policies will find themselves compelled to end their foes, even if those foes are restrained or unconscious. Those heroes with a save-the-innocents-first approach will find it over-ridden with kill-the-baddies-at-all-costs. There are some heroes who would rather die than do that, but the imperative won't allow them to. | ||
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Subject: They're ideally all supposed to have interesting developments in them [Re: Al B. Harper] Posted Sun Jan 22, 2017 at 09:41:17 am EST (Viewed 2 times) | |
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Anime Jason Owner Location: Here Member Since: Sun Sep 12, 2004 Posts: 2,834 |
Subject: No, but less than 50 feet of marshmallow would be good. [Re: HH] Posted Sun Jan 22, 2017 at 12:54:23 pm EST (Viewed 911 times) | |
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anime.mangacool.net (10.0.255.1) using Apple Safari 10.0.2 on MacOS X (0.16 points) Quote: She's going to get forced by the imperative to pick a side. She probably suspects it will be the good guys, since that's who she has most recently identifdied with and associated with the most. But come midnight when the imperative triggers properly, she would be fully bending all her abilities and ingenuity to eliminate anyone on the opposite side.Being a strategist, she would probably target anyone else with a psychic gift first, so they can't manipulate her or anyone else. But since she's Samurai and not Ninja, she'd go and confront them before killing them, rather than sneaking in. Quote: The Dreaming Celestain has acted to neutralise a few powers that he believes might try to thwart him. I'm deliberately skirting rounds the "ultimate power" battles because piles of "I can do anything" types clashing is very difficult to describe well and sidelines the main protagonists of this story. As I wrote into the plot a couple of issues back, the sum effect of lots of uber-powers clashing is likely to be that they cancel each other out, leaving determination of the War to the "small fry" with more mundane Earthly abilities.The unfair part would be when Faite starts using her power to change the battlefield itself and the circumstances to favor her friends. If Roentgen wants to nuke the Lair Mansion 1 minute after midnight, for instance, it might not be where he expects it, or it's harder to use Herringcarp as a headquarters while it's underwater from very high tide. Since that technically breaks the rules, she'd also be slowly unraveling the charade that's causing the battle in the first place. Quote: 2. The only counter for this gambit is to have any hero energy-manipulators in place to deflect, redirect, or absorb such attacks. Kerry could probably do something about a heat bloom or firestorm, for example. Lara could shield the city - or just the team if the imperative changes her priorities.Nuclear explosions are matter converted to energy. That means Lara could probably absorb all but the radiation and shrapnel so it ends up having the total power of a radioactive hand grenade. Since you mention dangers like that, it's quite likely Yuki would put Lara on defensive duty, especially since the Lair Mansion protections might not be working. But if it comes down to it, she did destroy an entire city during the Parody War. She doesn't really want to do it again, though. Quote: 3. The bad guys are bound to know what likely defences the heroes put up, so there might be secondary attacks designed to neutralise such defenders before they can interfere. For example, there are psionic villains who might try to shut down Lara or Kerry, or magic-wielding ones who can bypass usual defences with curses, or villains capable of mass-effect biological attacks. All of those would be less easy for energy-manipulators to counter; some would "get through" to Lara's energy form.If they have some leadership and it's not just a bunch of chaos, they might try to hamper Lara's efforts, but they might also know if they provoke her enough she just might resort to destroying the whole city. As I said though, she's against it, but she also holds on to a theory that maybe after everything is destroyed it will reset. So if it gets desperate enough, she might consider that. Quote: 4. The LL therefore has to use ball-game style screening and blocking tactics, with others countering such interceptions before they can work. So Sorceress or Vinnie might need to prevent magical attacks from debilitating the energy manipulators, or Al B. might need to filter out psionic attacks with some invention, or whatever.Or the Psychic Samurai can zero in on them because she knows where they are. Quote: 6. Informing all of this might be a bunch of seer-types who can predict and counter-predict what is coming up. So Chiaki might glimpse a gambit mere seconds before it occurs, but Morgosa might then predict how the now-alerted heroes will thwart it and how to alter a different future. And so on.And Chiaki might be after those too, so it gives her team an advantage. Quote: Tactically the problem is that the vilains rather outnumber the heroes, so they have more ways to simultaneously attack at multiple points in multiple ways.The heroes have more cohesiveness and a strategy besides "kill everyone". That's why well-trained military forces can take on much larger undisciplined ones without losing badly. Quote: Finally, and this is one of the hardest aspects of the imperative, neither side will be allowed to show mercy or restraint; it is all-out war to the deaths of one side or the other. Those heroes who usually have no-kill policies will find themselves compelled to end their foes, even if those foes are restrained or unconscious. Those heroes with a save-the-innocents-first approach will find it over-ridden with kill-the-baddies-at-all-costs. There are some heroes who would rather die than do that, but the imperative won't allow them to.The ones that will have the easiest time are the ones willing to chalk up the kills as self-defense. Chiaki is right at the top of that list. Lara would be close behind. Faite doesn't really want to kill anyone, nor does Yuki. Liu Xi is highly protective, and would kill every one of them if it saved the life of one of her friends. And Lara would have that theory I mentioned above that destroying everything may be the answer. Because it's outside the rules, and will frustrate the Celestian who might reset things because of it. And she considers that even if the heroes win, she might *still* have to destroy everything - because she considers that the heroes might be then forced to fight to the last person standing. There might be a tie-in where she brings that up, if I can get caught up with work tonight. | ||
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Subject: Re: They're ideally all supposed to have interesting developments in them [Re: HH] Posted Sun Jan 22, 2017 at 04:50:36 pm EST (Viewed 896 times) | |
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Subject: I'm really not offended. [Re: Al B. Harper] Posted Mon Jan 23, 2017 at 07:32:17 am EST (Viewed 2 times) | |
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Subject: 49 feet of marshmallow might still be an issue. [Re: Anime Jason] Posted Mon Jan 23, 2017 at 08:34:27 am EST (Viewed 1 times) | |
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Quote: Being a strategist, [Chiaki] would probably target anyone else with a psychic gift first, so they can't manipulate her or anyone else. But since she's Samurai and not Ninja, she'd go and confront them before killing them, rather than sneaking in.That's where things might get interesting. The other side has some significant master-planners too, some of whom have resources similar to Chiaki's. So it becomes a chess game. And of course, the way to take out someone who can see any attack coming is to use an attack that cannot be avoided even if it is anticipated, like rendering a square mile around her to absolute zero or something. So of course, the LL needs to avoid leaving Chiaki unsupported where there's nobody who could shield her from those kind of "inevitable" assaults. Quote: The unfair part would be when Faite starts using her power to change the battlefield itself and the circumstances to favor her friends. If Roentgen wants to nuke the Lair Mansion 1 minute after midnight, for instance, it might not be where he expects it, or it's harder to use Herringcarp as a headquarters while it's underwater from very high tide. Since that technically breaks the rules, she'd also be slowly unraveling the charade that's causing the battle in the first place.What I'm suggesting is that for every power trying to shield the heroes and disadvantage the villains there'll be a demon lord or malefic elder entity trying the reverse. That might lead to some very personal multi-dimensional clashes - the Ausgardian Oldman is likely to get physical, for example - but some for some others it will be a much more cerebral and subtle excercise. The sum effect is likely to be what happens when there's a schoolyard fight and the combatants friends each stop the other boys' friends from pitching in and affecting the brawl. Of course, what happens after is that on a micro-scale (the superhero/supervillain fight on Earth) a clear winner would be just enough to then tip the balance in a bigger battle on a cosmic scale. A benevolent entity could use an unopposed, unencumbered LL to tip the big fight. A malevolent power might similarly promote some archvillain to start murdering usually-indestructible conceptual opponents. In that way, the result of the mortal combat is the tipping point of the larger one, just as some minor skirmish in some mountain pass somewhere can alter the outcome of a whole war. Quote: Quote: 2. The only counter for this gambit is to have any hero energy-manipulators in place to deflect, redirect, or absorb such attacks. Kerry could probably do something about a heat bloom or firestorm, for example. Lara could shield the city - or just the team if the imperative changes her priorities.Quote: Nuclear explosions are matter converted to energy. That means Lara could probably absorb all but the radiation and shrapnel so it ends up having the total power of a radioactive hand grenade. Since you mention dangers like that, it's quite likely Yuki would put Lara on defensive duty, especially since the Lair Mansion protections might not be working.That's a likely strategy, and there may well be "first minute", "first hour", and maybe "first day" plans for deployment. But they need to be flexible, since nobody is quite sure what attacks will come in what order. Another clear and present problem is the opening up of dimensional portals to places like the Negativity Zone, releasing massive anti-energy, or the plane of corposant fire, releasing infinite energy. There are both villains and a couple of heroes who can do these things. There are also some non-standard manifestations of Parodyverse power like the Jarvis Cosmic and the Gah! force that remain beyond standard energy-manipulation technologies and abilities and that may be directed against "standard" energy-shifters and generators. The counter there comes from anticipating and preventing such force-deploymen, i.e stopping Peter von Doom from generating his portal or getting Al B.-tech or Shoggoth-goo there in time to counter it. In the kind of all-out fight we're talking about there are hundreds of ways for enemies to clash and quite a few that would be narratively interesting. For once we don't have the "Superman is so powerful that nothing can realistically challenge him" problem. Quote: But if it comes down to it, she did destroy an entire city during the Parody War. She doesn't really want to do it again, though.There are a bunch of heroes who could theoretically unship that kind of power. Kerry can cause solar flares, for example, and Donar's weather control could doubtless destroy a fair portion of a continent. The enemy has some omega-class power types too whose neutralisation will surely be a priority. And that's not even counting what Dancer could do if she ever stopped being nice - which she will at midnight. Quote: If [the villains]have some leadership and it's not just a bunch of chaos, they might try to hamper Lara's efforts, but they might also know if they provoke her enough she just might resort to destroying the whole city.There are quite a few villains who wouldn't be averse to sacrificing a city to take down a major opponent, even under normal circumstances. One resource that the villains might well use but the heroes are unlikely to is necromancy requiring half a billion deaths. Be sure that the gruesome witch-types that Danny encountered in the most recent chapter and some others like the Necromancer General will be happy to see city-wide death tolls because of the raw material that frees up. Quote: As I said though, she's against it, but she also holds on to a theory that maybe after everything is destroyed it will reset. So if it gets desperate enough, she might consider that.What Lisa, Faite, and a few others might percieve is that the Dreaming Celestial has basically turned off the PV's resets. His programming seems to include tidying away the toys when he's finished with them. With his Celestian Space Robot logic and capacity he has considered and eliminated every get-out method he can, having spent millenia calculating them. Quote: Or the Psychic Samurai can zero in on them because she knows where they are.That's part of the operation. The other parts after intel are getting a route to attack and a means of delivering the kill; all the while fending of an enemy who is trying to do the same thing to Chiaki and other good-guy intelligence resources. Another of those borderline-deity entities that stoops to play in mundane reality is Mad Wendy, now Lord of the Nightmare Realm (she's an omega-class psychic reality manipulator with Mxyzptlk-type powers occupying the ecological niche of Frightmare, the PV's former version of Dr Strange's Nightmare). She's also a spooky little girl of about the same apparent age as Faite. She, and the Mxyzptlk-like Eddie the Imp are likely to pitch in to "cheat" against the heroes in their distinctive ways (Mad Wendy is a bit more Tim Burton's Alice and Eddie is more evil-Mork). I expect that the pair of them will slap right into white hats like Lisa and Faite. Quote: Quote: 6. Informing all of this might be a bunch of seer-types who can predict and counter-predict what is coming up. So Chiaki might glimpse a gambit mere seconds before it occurs, but Morgosa might then predict how the now-alerted heroes will thwart it and how to alter a different future. And so on.Quote: And Chiaki might be after those too, so it gives her team an advantage.And vice versa. Quote: Quote: Tactically the problem is that the vilains rather outnumber the heroes, so they have more ways to simultaneously attack at multiple points in multiple ways.Quote: The heroes have more cohesiveness and a strategy besides "kill everyone". That's why well-trained military forces can take on much larger undisciplined ones without losing badly.The baddies have their Council of Archvillains to co-ordinate them. That now includes tactical geniuses such as Silence of the Lambs-style manipulator Blackbird, master strategist the Word of Logos, and deep schemer Baroness von Zemo. The Hooded Hood appears to be ensuring that they co-operate. So it's going to be close. The heroes are really facing some difficult odds; which is what a dramatic story requires - easy wins don't require heroism. Quote: Quote: Finally, and this is one of the hardest aspects of the imperative, neither side will be allowed to show mercy or restraint.Quote: The ones that will have the easiest time are the ones willing to chalk up the kills as self-defense. Chiaki is right at the top of that list. Lara would be close behind. Faite doesn't really want to kill anyone, nor does Yuki. Liu Xi is highly protective, and would kill every one of them if it saved the life of one of her friends.The changed priorities about the need to save collatoral lives will also trouble many of the heroes. Quote: And Lara would have that theory I mentioned above that destroying everything may be the answer. Because it's outside the rules, and will frustrate the Celestian who might reset things because of it. And she considers that even if the heroes win, she might *still* have to destroy everything - because she considers that the heroes might be then forced to fight to the last person standing.Quote: There might be a tie-in where she brings that up, if I can get caught up with work tonight.Noted. But remember that the imperative has ruled out suicide or assisting others with suicide. | ||
Anime Jason Owner Location: Here Member Since: Sun Sep 12, 2004 Posts: 2,834 |
Subject: Ants would be a problem. [Re: HH] Posted Mon Jan 23, 2017 at 11:29:56 am EST (Viewed 969 times) | |
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anime.mangacool.net (10.0.255.1) using Apple Safari 10.0.2 on MacOS X (0.35 points) Quote: And of course, the way to take out someone who can see any attack coming is to use an attack that cannot be avoided even if it is anticipated, like rendering a square mile around her to absolute zero or something. So of course, the LL needs to avoid leaving Chiaki unsupported where there's nobody who could shield her from those kind of "inevitable" assaults.Chiaki went up against the Zoot Suit Gang in an unpublished story - and they thought of the same thing, trying to create multiple paths of attack so she can't avoid it. They did manage to capture her, but they underestimated her ability to adapt, and they also were fooled by her constant politeness and composure. From being tied up, she managed to turn vicious on them and kill two people with her bare hands, and then corner Frankie. Left on her own, Chiaki might try to rely on her instincts and flexibility to protect her when going after those psychics. But Yuki would have to be out of her mind to let her do that alone. Most likely Yuki would assign someone like Nena to go with Chiaki. Yuki's strategy would be to pick someone who doesn't look like an even bigger threat than Chiaki, and who is relatively unknown to the other side. That would hopefully lead them to spend very few resources in stopping the two of them. She would pick Nena because she only *looks* harmless. If you've ever seen Black Magic M-66, that's the sort of training she has - she can absolutely destroy an entire paramilitary force in seconds. Why not Anna? Because out of the two "sisters", Anna is the one that respects human life. Nena has a strong sense of morality, but is indifferent toward humans. Quote: What I'm suggesting is that for every power trying to shield the heroes and disadvantage the villains there'll be a demon lord or malefic elder entity trying the reverse. That might lead to some very personal multi-dimensional clashes - the Ausgardian Oldman is likely to get physical, for example - but some for some others it will be a much more cerebral and subtle excercise. The sum effect is likely to be what happens when there's a schoolyard fight and the combatants friends each stop the other boys' friends from pitching in and affecting the brawl.I have said before that Faite is an opportunist. She often waits to take action because she wants it to have maximum impact. If she keeps making small changes, anyone opposing her will keep adapting to counter it. So it's most likely that Faite, unless backed into a corner needing to save the Lair Legion from utter destruction, will wait until a pivotal moment and then do something major, when it's too difficult - or better yet, too late - to counter it. Something that will tilt the battlefield firmly in her favor. Quote: That's a likely strategy, and there may well be "first minute", "first hour", and maybe "first day" plans for deployment. But they need to be flexible, since nobody is quite sure what attacks will come in what order.I thought about it some more, about how Yuki would plan something like this out. She would basically follow the same advice Chiaki keeps giving - to hide your true power - and push lower-power resources to exhaustion first. Keep pushing them and pushing them until the enemy believes that's all she has to offer. Just when they think they're going to win, the fully refreshed heavy hitters start to come in, and by then the enemy is exhausted and off guard. She knows the enemy will try the same tactic; so she'll always keep something hidden, so just when they think she's out of weapons and ideas, she'll have more. Slow and steady wins the race. The point to all of that is Lara will find it frustrating when Yuki keeps her in the Lair Mansion to "keep it safe and secure". She might keep Liu Xi Xian there as well, at first, and rely on the old school Lair Legion members to wear down the enemy first. She might even ask Chiaki to stay there too. Faite would definitely be asked to stay put. Yuki would tell her that she has *one* job, and that's to figure out how to break the rules and stop the war once and for all. Quote: In the kind of all-out fight we're talking about there are hundreds of ways for enemies to clash and quite a few that would be narratively interesting. For once we don't have the "Superman is so powerful that nothing can realistically challenge him" problem. Here's some irony for you, on that topic: Lara Night is by far the most experienced dealing with overwhelming opposition. Back home, she's not the only Guardian - there are several, and not all of them are selfless. So she's had to confront one with way more power and experience than she has. Sadly, the only way she could think to survive that encounter was to kill that Guardian quickly before he had a change to fight back. But there was a consequence to that. The people of her Earth realized her "true power" then (the one that Chiaki keeps telling everyone to keep hidden) and they started to develop resources. Now any police agency in her world has the ability to contain and capture her. Part of the reason she retired - because it meant her world no longer really needed people like her. So Lara might be the only super-type in the Parodyverse right now that truly understands what it's like to be an obsolete Superman. Quote: There are a bunch of heroes who could theoretically unship that kind of power. Kerry can cause solar flares, for example, and Donar's weather control could doubtless destroy a fair portion of a continent. The enemy has some omega-class power types too whose neutralisation will surely be a priority. And that's not even counting what Dancer could do if she ever stopped being nice - which she will at midnight.And that's partly how I came up with Yuki's most likely strategy. She knows the old-school Legion has more in them than they've used in quite a while. She knows the other side may have organizational skills, but they don't have the ability to hold back. That's her advantage. With any luck, the primary LL attack force will take out most of the really tough villains, and leave the rest vulnerable. She also hopes her strategy means that they'll essentially be on the doorstep of a win before she ever has to deploy the more powerful resources. Yuki would also probably hope that she can work with Al B Harper on tech to break the rules and neutralize the villains without killing them. She does peripherally believe Faite, and hopes breaking enough rules will infuriate the Celestian. Quote: Quote: As I said though, she's against it, but she also holds on to a theory that maybe after everything is destroyed it will reset. So if it gets desperate enough, she might consider that.Quote: What Lisa, Faite, and a few others might percieve is that the Dreaming Celestial has basically turned off the PV's resets. His programming seems to include tidying away the toys when he's finished with them.Lara's "last resort" theory is that if things get really bad, she could destroy everything, ending the battle quickly enough that the Celestian will feel like it's not fair, and reset it back to the beginning again. It's a self-sacrifice theory, because she knows it will cause her to be kicked back home with no way to get back. She'd hope that things would go better for the heroes the next time, without her there. Basically her theory is based on the idea that she feels the Celestian *is* like a child, and will become angry and change the rules if his toys don't cooperate. It might not be a correct theory, but that's the best last-resort she can come up with based on what's around her. Though on a much darker note, she also believes that it might be better for a falling Lair Legion to meet a quick end rather than suffer whatever comes next for them. She believes that there are no limits to the depths the truly evil will sink, and she imagines all the horrible things that would happen to Magweed and Griffin, for instance, after all the primary LL members are killed. She doesn't think it would count as a "suicide attack" because she would technically survive it when she's booted back home. Quote: With his Celestian Space Robot logic and capacity he has considered and eliminated every get-out method he can, having spent millenia calculating them.Side note about Faite: She still believes the Dreaming Celesian forgot some things, and she's determined to find out everything he forgot about. The thing is, she's not aware if anyone else is thinking the same thing. But it does mean she's going to "calculate" every single loophole and exploit it both to protect her friends, and also to follow Yuki's order to figure out a way to put a stop to it. Quote: That's part of the operation. The other parts after intel are getting a route to attack and a means of delivering the kill; all the while fending of an enemy who is trying to do the same thing to Chiaki and other good-guy intelligence resources.Part of Yuki's (above) strategy, I believe, is that she knows that they know exactly what she's doing, but they won't be able to do anything about it. They're just going to have to play along. Quote: Another of those borderline-deity entities that stoops to play in mundane reality is Mad Wendy, now Lord of the Nightmare Realm (she's an omega-class psychic reality manipulator with Mxyzptlk-type powers occupying the ecological niche of Frightmare, the PV's former version of Dr Strange's Nightmare). She's also a spooky little girl of about the same apparent age as Faite. She, and the Mxyzptlk-like Eddie the Imp are likely to pitch in to "cheat" against the heroes in their distinctive ways (Mad Wendy is a bit more Tim Burton's Alice and Eddie is more evil-Mork). I expect that the pair of them will slap right into white hats like Lisa and Faite.Faite wouldn't be intimidated by them. She knows how to keep them busy. Quote: The baddies have their Council of Archvillains to co-ordinate them. That now includes tactical geniuses such as Silence of the Lambs-style manipulator Blackbird, master strategist the Word of Logos, and deep schemer Baroness von Zemo. The Hooded Hood appears to be ensuring that they co-operate.As I mentioned above, though, Yuki knows their one weakness: Each one of them wants the glory and the gold. The Lair Legion is more satisfied with doing their part. Quote: The changed priorities about the need to save collatoral lives will also trouble many of the heroes.This is where Yuki might quickly learn from military long-term strategy and adapt her strategy to it. That kind of strategy is when a force allows some civilian target damage and casualties in order to ultimately free them all from even greater danger. | ||
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Subject: That's good to know. [Re: HH] Posted Mon Jan 23, 2017 at 07:19:14 pm EST (Viewed 836 times) | |
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Subject: Especially the 30-foot long ones from the nuclear Wasteland north of Gothametropolis. [Re: Anime Jason] Posted Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 03:07:47 pm EST (Viewed 2 times) | |
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Quote: Quote: And of course, the way to take out someone who can see any attack coming is to use an attack that cannot be avoided even if it is anticipated.Quote: Chiaki went up against the Zoot Suit Gang in an unpublished story ** Insert usual comment about getting it finished and out here ** Quote: Most likely Yuki would assign someone like Nena to go with Chiaki. There will be some interesting choices for the entire robot community to make on which "side" to take. Quote: I have said before that Faite is an opportunist. She often waits to take action because she wants it to have maximum impact. If she keeps making small changes, anyone opposing her will keep adapting to counter it.The LL strtaegy - and Sir Mumphrey specifically - will want to make provision for what happens if the energy specifically target entities like Faite. After all, the way to eliminate an opportunist is to act before they have any opportunity. What we'll probably see is the dispersal of some assets - I'd imagine the ones who aren't the obvious "punch them/zap them" types - to other asset bases that are not ground zero on Parody Island. The LL has plenty of allies across the Earth and beyond. There's no reason that Faite can't function as well from Caph or from Deep Faerie as she could from the Lair Legion Living Room. Quote: I thought about it some more, about how Yuki would plan something like this out. She would basically follow the same advice Chiaki keeps giving - to hide your true power - and push lower-power resources to exhaustion first. There will/would probably be three phases: a frantic first assault where lots of pre-prepared atacks and defences clashed, a long-haul multi-platform fight (probably hours rather than months) where various localised or styolised battles resolved (e.g. a magic war, a tech war, a probability war, some physical ground battles, maybe a time war and some planar invasions etc.), and an endgame that would probably happen very quickly as one side or other gained ascent and influenced the larger cosmic-level battle. Each phase will require different kinds of planning. Underpining all of them are some inevitable combat needs: both sides will always require intelligence, communications, support material and personnal, and leadership. Both sides will be trying to deny that to the other. Quote: The point to all of that is Lara will find it frustrating when Yuki keeps her in the Lair Mansion to "keep it safe and secure". She might keep Liu Xi Xian there as well, at first, and rely on the old school Lair Legion members to wear down the enemy first. She might even ask Chiaki to stay there too. There's a debate to be had about whether forting up on Parody Island is the best idea. Other resource bases are also available, for example EEE's GMY townhouse with its formidable dimensional defences, Phantomhawl Memorial Hospital with its unexplained protection from supernatural evil, Mi Li's Laundry of Doom, or the sanity-mangling and hard-to-navidate non-Euclidean ghoul tunnels. If the enemy can be lured to focussing disproportionate effort in reducing the Lair Mansion it leaves open the possibility for rear attacks from other concealed forces. And that is assuming that the LL elects not to do a minute-one offensive on Herringcarp and commit many assets to try and take that resource off the board up front. Any assessment would flag that as a costly win, but that still doesn't mean that it wouldn't be worth it. Quote: Faite would definitely be asked to stay put. Yuki would tell her that she has *one* job, and that's to figure out how to break the rules and stop the war once and for all.Faire might be asked to stay put somewhere, but like Xander, perhaps not where ground zero physical fighting will be. Also, since the good-guy strategists include a few ruthless bastards, there's also the possibility of using Faite or another high-value intervener as bait for a trap for some of the high-end opposition, in a set-up ambush somewhare. Again, for example, an attack near or at the Nexus of Unreality would offer some unusual terrain advantages to a prepared trap-team, when an enemy seeking a quick elimination of Faite would suddenly discover themselves shifted into a sub-plane of Primal Hero-Feeders or something. Quote: Quote: For once we don't have the "Superman is so powerful that nothing can realistically challenge him" problem. Quote: The people of [Lara's] Earth realized her "true power" then (the one that Chiaki keeps telling everyone to keep hidden) and they started to develop resources. Now any police agency in her world has the ability to contain and capture her. Wouldn't that mean that some of the villain tech-types could reproduce such equipmment in the Parodyverse? Quote: With any luck, the primary LL attack force will take out most of the really tough villains, and leave the rest vulnerable.There's also the question of how "the imperative" might affect combat goals. It's not clear if the overriding urge will be "kill the baddies" or "make sure our team wins". There would be different compulsions depending on which it is. Quote: Yuki would also probably hope that she can work with Al B Harper on tech to break the rules and neutralize the villains without killing them. She does peripherally believe Faite, and hopes breaking enough rules will infuriate the Celestian.One problem the LL faces is what to do with currently-incarcerated villains, or possibly all convicted and imprisoned criminals. Presumably the good guys will have an imperative to simply blow up all prisons at midnight. Quote: Lara's "last resort" theory is that if things get really bad, she could destroy everything, ending the battle quickly enough that the Celestian will feel like it's not fair, and reset it back to the beginning again. It's a self-sacrifice theory, because she knows it will cause her to be kicked back home with no way to get back. She'd hope that things would go better for the heroes the next time, without her there.I'm not convinced that Lara, or any one being in the Parodyverse, could destory everything. Many of them might destroy Earth, but that only shifts the fight's focus elsewhere to some other planet, plane, timeline, or alternate reality. Quote: Basically her theory is based on the idea that she feels the Celestian *is* like a child, and will become angry and change the rules if his toys don't cooperate.He's a robot so he may not have emotions. On the other hand, he is a robot that has transcended his programming. Quote: Though on a much darker note, she also believes that it might be better for a falling Lair Legion to meet a quick end rather than suffer whatever comes next for them. This is true. Quote: She doesn't think it would count as a "suicide attack" because she would technically survive it when she's booted back home.She hopes she would bet booted. The Dreaming Celestian appears to be pulling a lot of levers, because, as previously mentioned... Quote: Quote: With his Celestian Space Robot logic and capacity he has considered and eliminated every get-out method he can, having spent millenia calculating them.Quote: Part of Yuki's (above) strategy, I believe, is that she knows that they know exactly what she's doing, but they won't be able to do anything about it. They're just going to have to play along.I'm sure the LL has some strategy to try and obscure their actions and planning. After all, the team has had a long time to prepare for a final clash with the Hooded Hood. There's no guarantee such precautions are effective, of course, so its best to assume they might not be. Quote: Quote: The baddies have their Council of Archvillains to co-ordinate them. Quote: As I mentioned above, though, Yuki knows their one weakness: Each one of them wants the glory and the gold. The Lair Legion is more satisfied with doing their part.It is an important distinction, assuming no imperative over-ride. Quote: Quote: The changed priorities about the need to save collatoral lives will also trouble many of the heroes.Quote: This is where Yuki might quickly learn from military long-term strategy and adapt her strategy to it. That kind of strategy is when a force allows some civilian target damage and casualties in order to ultimately free them all from even greater danger.The LL had some experience of this kind of hard choice during the Parody War, but this might be that kind of decision-making notched up to 11. | ||
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Subject: As long as they aren't 30 foot fire ants. [Re: Most of those creatures aren't intelligent enough to have "sides" but they'll certainly be on the roof.] Posted Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 04:46:36 pm EST (Viewed 966 times) | |
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anime.mangacool.net (10.0.255.1) using Apple Safari 10.0.3 on MacOS X (0.23 points) Quote: ** Insert usual comment about getting it finished and out here **I actually did post about half of it last year, and then everyone disappeared and I never got around to finishing it. Quote: Quote: Most likely Yuki would assign someone like Nena to go with Chiaki. Quote: There will be some interesting choices for the entire robot community to make on which "side" to take.Or maybe there will be 3 sides, and many of the robots will have an imperative to kill all humans. Quote: The LL strtaegy - and Sir Mumphrey specifically - will want to make provision for what happens if the energy specifically target entities like Faite. After all, the way to eliminate an opportunist is to act before they have any opportunity.He might not have to. Faite would have thought of that and set traps of her own. Quote: What we'll probably see is the dispersal of some assets - I'd imagine the ones who aren't the obvious "punch them/zap them" types - to other asset bases that are not ground zero on Parody Island. The LL has plenty of allies across the Earth and beyond. There's no reason that Faite can't function as well from Caph or from Deep Faerie as she could from the Lair Legion Living Room.I did consider that Yuki or Sir Mumphrey might put all of their most powerful assets someplace completely out of reach so that she can keep them in reserve without the enemies coming for them first. But not *too* far out of reach, because Yuki in particular believes the toughest part of this battle would be recruiting. Villains who go to more grey-area allies of the Lair Legion and attempt to turn them, possibly with promises that they'll be on the winning side, or untruthful reassurances. Quote: There will/would probably be three phases: a frantic first assault where lots of pre-prepared atacks and defences clashed, a long-haul multi-platform fight (probably hours rather than months) where various localised or styolised battles resolved (e.g. a magic war, a tech war, a probability war, some physical ground battles, maybe a time war and some planar invasions etc.), and an endgame that would probably happen very quickly as one side or other gained ascent and influenced the larger cosmic-level battle. Each phase will require different kinds of planning.Yuki would only plan for what she can, and hope she will have made room for the other parts (probability, magic, etc) to do what they need to do. Quote: There's a debate to be had about whether forting up on Parody Island is the best idea. Other resource bases are also available, for example EEE's GMY townhouse with its formidable dimensional defences, Phantomhawl Memorial Hospital with its unexplained protection from supernatural evil, Mi Li's Laundry of Doom, or the sanity-mangling and hard-to-navidate non-Euclidean ghoul tunnels. If the enemy can be lured to focussing disproportionate effort in reducing the Lair Mansion it leaves open the possibility for rear attacks from other concealed forces.They don't have to stay in one particular place, just hidden and out of the way until their time comes. Quote: And that is assuming that the LL elects not to do a minute-one offensive on Herringcarp and commit many assets to try and take that resource off the board up front. Any assessment would flag that as a costly win, but that still doesn't mean that it wouldn't be worth it.They might need way more support than they anticipate for that. Quote: Faire might be asked to stay put somewhere, but like Xander, perhaps not where ground zero physical fighting will be. Faite also has the capability to put herself into hiding, and generally then she's operating as a ghost. Quote: Also, since the good-guy strategists include a few ruthless bastards, there's also the possibility of using Faite or another high-value intervener as bait for a trap for some of the high-end opposition, in a set-up ambush somewhare. Again, for example, an attack near or at the Nexus of Unreality would offer some unusual terrain advantages to a prepared trap-team, when an enemy seeking a quick elimination of Faite would suddenly discover themselves shifted into a sub-plane of Primal Hero-Feeders or something.And she'll have plenty of her own traps. She's low-profile, but can be kind of a bastard when she wants to be. Quote: Wouldn't that mean that some of the villain tech-types could reproduce such equipmment in the Parodyverse?They can, but they're at the wrong time for it. The place Lara comes from is out of time-sync with the Parodyverse. Essentially she's a superhero from the future. Quote: There's also the question of how "the imperative" might affect combat goals. It's not clear if the overriding urge will be "kill the baddies" or "make sure our team wins". There would be different compulsions depending on which it is.That would be what Yuki silently fears, that come midnight the imperative will become an individual mandate instead. All planning will go out the window, and each person will try to kill every other one. If that happens, the only thing she would have left is to hope she's killed quickly before the zombies show up. Quote: One problem the LL faces is what to do with currently-incarcerated villains, or possibly all convicted and imprisoned criminals. Presumably the good guys will have an imperative to simply blow up all prisons at midnight.If there's still planning ability left (see above) Yuki is likely, and smart enough, to decide that imperative is not strategically important and can happen later. Quote: I'm not convinced that Lara, or any one being in the Parodyverse, could destory everything. Many of them might destroy Earth, but that only shifts the fight's focus elsewhere to some other planet, plane, timeline, or alternate reality.She can't destroy everything at once, but eventually she can destroy everything. It's just a matter of time and dedication, and the ability to outrun the enemy. The point is less actually having to destroy everything, and more communicating with an unseen enemy (the Celestian) using way more violence than it ever anticipated. She would hope that would focus its attention on her, which might somehow end the battle. Quote: Quote: Though on a much darker note, she also believes that it might be better for a falling Lair Legion to meet a quick end rather than suffer whatever comes next for them. Quote: This is true.And that's if she fails to get the Celestian's attention, and the Lair Legion is losing the battle. In that case, she believes it's a kindness to put an end to it her own way, before the villains who are left enslave them, or possibly the Celestian itself. Quote: She hopes she would bet booted. The Dreaming Celestian appears to be pulling a lot of levers, because, as previously mentioned...The Celestian might dump her into Comic Book Limbo, but she's escaped it before. If he tries to hold onto her spirit so it can't return home, her "sponsor" back home will come to claim it. So that might work in her favor. Sort of. Shema, her sponsor, is also a creator, not a destructor, so she wouldn't harm the Celestian or any of the villains. 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Subject: Those would require seriously large asbestos trousers [Re: Anime Jason] Posted Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 07:57:36 pm EST (Viewed 2 times) | |
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Quote: Quote: ** Insert usual comment about getting it finished and out here **Quote: I actually did post about half of it last year, and then everyone disappeared and I never got around to finishing it.We do suffer from ephemeral readership these days. Quote: Quote: There will be some interesting choices for the entire robot community to make on which "side" to take.Quote: Or maybe there will be 3 sides, and many of the robots will have an imperative to kill all humans.It seems as though there are just good robots and bad robots. They're not being affected any differently than humans, aliens, undead, fey, Racoon People, talking apes, sentient fungii etc. Out of the immediate context that is mildly encouraging. Quote: Quote: What we'll probably see is the dispersal of some assets - I'd imagine the ones who aren't the obvious "punch them/zap them" types - to other asset bases that are not ground zero on Parody Island. The LL has plenty of allies across the Earth and beyond. There's no reason that Faite can't function as well from Caph or from Deep Faerie as she could from the Lair Legion Living Room.Quote: I did consider that Yuki or Sir Mumphrey might put all of their most powerful assets someplace completely out of reach so that she can keep them in reserve without the enemies coming for them first.It will be a trade off between dispersing assets to lessen chances for a "single strike" enemy victory and the possibility of disrupted co-ordination lines preventing joined-up counterstrikes. Quote: But not *too* far out of reach, because Yuki in particular believes the toughest part of this battle would be recruiting. Villains who go to more grey-area allies of the Lair Legion and attempt to turn them, possibly with promises that they'll be on the winning side, or untruthful reassurances.There are some questions about surprise "side" choices. For example, is government liaison "Bad News Herb" Garrett a good guy or a bad guy? What about a Punisher-style vigilante who uses extreme methods against villains? Or a hero-to-his-people freedom fighter who the other side sees as a war criminal? Quote: Yuki would only plan for what she can, and hope she will have made room for the other parts (probability, magic, etc) to do what they need to do.As with the Parody War, there'll need to be the flexibility to counter one kind of attack by using a very diffeent one. Quote: They don't have to stay in one particular place, just hidden and out of the way until their time comes.There is a kind of plan about that, but I don't want to spoil it here. Quote: Quote: And that is assuming that the LL elects not to do a minute-one offensive on Herringcarp and commit many assets to try and take that resource off the board up front. Any assessment would flag that as a costly win, but that still doesn't mean that it wouldn't be worth it.Quote: They might need way more support than they anticipate for that.Indeed. You can imagine the risk assessments going on. Quote: Quote: Faire might be asked to stay put somewhere, but like Xander, perhaps not where ground zero physical fighting will be. Quote: Faite also has the capability to put herself into hiding, and generally then she's operating as a ghost.There are other beings out there whose semi-omniscience might still be searching for her, though. It might turn out to be like submarine combat, where each side tries to remain invisible to enemy until a firing solution can be found. Quote: Quote: Wouldn't that mean that some of the villain tech-types could reproduce such equipmment in the Parodyverse?Quote: They can, but they're at the wrong time for it. The place Lara comes from is out of time-sync with the Parodyverse. Essentially she's a superhero from the future.But the villains include Kinki the Conqueress, a time travelling villain from the future, and the Hooded Hood who might well have been able to simply send someone to Lara's homeworld to grab a sample. I'm not saying that's how it should go, but there has to be that worry. Quote: Quote: There's also the question of how "the imperative" might affect combat goals. It's not clear if the overriding urge will be "kill the baddies" or "make sure our team wins". There would be different compulsions depending on which it is.Quote: That would be what Yuki silently fears, that come midnight the imperative will become an individual mandate instead. All planning will go out the window, and each person will try to kill every other one. If that happens, the only thing she would have left is to hope she's killed quickly before the zombies show up.The LL will be facing up to that possibility in-story before the deadline. Quote: And that's if she fails to get the Celestian's attention, and the Lair Legion is losing the battle. In that case, she believes it's a kindness to put an end to it her own way, before the villains who are left enslave them, or possibly the Celestian itself.There's a strong chance that the imperative would prevent her harming her own side, even to "put them out opf their misery". Quote: Quote: She hopes she would bet booted. The Dreaming Celestian appears to be pulling a lot of levers, because, as previously mentioned...Quote: The Celestian might dump her into Comic Book Limbo, but she's escaped it before. If he tries to hold onto her spirit so it can't return home, her "sponsor" back home will come to claim it. So that might work in her favor. Sort of. Shema, her sponsor, is also a creator, not a destructor, so she wouldn't harm the Celestian or any of the villains. It would have to be a moment of divine creativity to resolve that one.I think I'll avoid that whole Ultimate Entity X tops Ultimate Entity Y problem. | ||
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Subject: Can't ants bite through that? [Re: HH] Posted Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 12:16:48 am EST (Viewed 910 times) | |
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anime.mangacool.net (10.0.255.1) using Apple Safari 10.0.3 on MacOS X (0.17 points) Quote: It seems as though there are just good robots and bad robots. They're not being affected any differently than humans, aliens, undead, fey, Racoon People, talking apes, sentient fungii etc. Out of the immediate context that is mildly encouraging.It all depends on point of view. What if the robots believe this mess was caused by humans and they're doing good by wiping them out? Quote: There are some questions about surprise "side" choices. For example, is government liaison "Bad News Herb" Garrett a good guy or a bad guy? What about a Punisher-style vigilante who uses extreme methods against villains? Or a hero-to-his-people freedom fighter who the other side sees as a war criminal?It depends if the selections are by popular opinion, or a person's opinion of themselves. Quote: Indeed. You can imagine the risk assessments going on.The meetings will take so long, they'll be going on during the attack. Quote: There are other beings out there whose semi-omniscience might still be searching for her, though. It might turn out to be like submarine combat, where each side tries to remain invisible to enemy until a firing solution can be found.Faite has a lot of practice with that - she's in her element. They're going to have an interesting time of it. Quote: But the villains include Kinki the Conqueress, a time travelling villain from the future, and the Hooded Hood who might well have been able to simply send someone to Lara's homeworld to grab a sample. I'm not saying that's how it should go, but there has to be that worry.Lara would say there's no point in worrying about what hasn't happened yet. And also there's the issue of what would any of them do with Lara once she's captured? At least the police back home use it as a weapon of accountability. Quote: The LL will be facing up to that possibility in-story before the deadline.The zombies or the free-for-all? Quote: There's a strong chance that the imperative would prevent her harming her own side, even to "put them out opf their misery".She would probably consider it losing on her own terms, if it helps. Quote: I think I'll avoid that whole Ultimate Entity X tops Ultimate Entity Y problem.Ah, but it's far more interesting than that - it's how Ultimate Entity Y takes something from Ultimate Entity X without harming Ultimate Entity X at all. | ||
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Subject: Do we want to test it? [Re: Anime Jason] Posted Fri Feb 03, 2017 at 07:29:28 pm EST (Viewed 2 times) | |
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Quote: Quote: It seems as though there are just good robots and bad robots. They're not being affected any differently than humans, aliens, undead, fey, Racoon People, talking apes, sentient fungii etc. Out of the immediate context that is mildly encouraging.Quote: It all depends on point of view. What if the robots believe this mess was caused by humans and they're doing good by wiping them out?That would imply that all robots were of the same mind. But if we replace the word "robot" in that sentence with "black people" or "gay people" or "left-handed people" it wouldn't make sense; so I'm assuming that free-willed robots have a full spectrum of political worldviews ranging from the sensible to the wildly paranoid - like every other cub-category of sentient beings. Quote: Quote: There are some questions about surprise "side" choices. Quote: It depends if the selections are by popular opinion, or a person's opinion of themselves.That's a good point. We've established already that some people seem to "know" what their side will be already and othes remain unclear on the subject. Quote: Quote: There are other beings out there whose semi-omniscience might still be searching for her, though. It might turn out to be like submarine combat, where each side tries to remain invisible to enemy until a firing solution can be found.Quote: Faite has a lot of practice with that - she's in her element. They're going to have an interesting time of it.It all serves for an interesting Resolution. Quote: Quote: The LL will be facing up to that possibility in-story before the deadline.Quote: The zombies or the free-for-all?The free for all. See tomorrow's chapter for a hint of it. Quote: Quote: I think I'll avoid that whole Ultimate Entity X tops Ultimate Entity Y problem.Quote: Ah, but it's far more interesting than that - it's how Ultimate Entity Y takes something from Ultimate Entity X without harming Ultimate Entity X at all.I'll still stick to the things it is easier to ground - like giant space robots and planet devourers. | ||
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Subject: I don't have any asbestos pants. [Re: HH apologises for the delay in replying] Posted Sat Feb 04, 2017 at 04:59:09 pm EST (Viewed 895 times) | |
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anime.mangacool.net (10.0.255.1) using Apple Safari 10.0.3 on MacOS X (0.2 points) Quote: That would imply that all robots were of the same mind. But if we replace the word "robot" in that sentence with "black people" or "gay people" or "left-handed people" it wouldn't make sense; so I'm assuming that free-willed robots have a full spectrum of political worldviews ranging from the sensible to the wildly paranoid - like every other cub-category of sentient beings.Like I said, it depends whether their side choice is based on their own opinion of themselves, or others'. If it's others', then it could easily become robots vs humans. Quote: That's a good point. We've established already that some people seem to "know" what their side will be already and othes remain unclear on the subject.I also thought that it could go both ways. Those who are certain will choose on their own, those who are not certain or refuse to make a choice might have one forced upon them. Or, as I mentioned before, those who refuse to choose, or choose the wrong side, or aren't sure, will be the first ones hunted - by both sides. | ||
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Subject: That might be over-sharing. [Re: Anime Jason] Posted Sun Feb 05, 2017 at 03:58:01 pm EST (Viewed 3 times) | |
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Quote: Quote: That would imply that all robots were of the same mind. But if we replace the word "robot" in that sentence with "black people" or "gay people" or "left-handed people" it wouldn't make sense; so I'm assuming that free-willed robots have a full spectrum of political worldviews ranging from the sensible to the wildly paranoid - like every other cub-category of sentient beings.Quote: Like I said, it depends whether their side choice is based on their own opinion of themselves, or others'. If it's others', then it could easily become robots vs humans.We already know that Tandi is on Team Good and the Machine Shop are Team Evil. Likely the distribution of know already vs don't know till midnight is the same for robots as for the general population. Quote: Quote: That's a good point. We've established already that some people seem to "know" what their side will be already and othes remain unclear on the subject.Quote: I also thought that it could go both ways. Those who are certain will choose on their own, those who are not certain or refuse to make a choice might have one forced upon them.Quote: Or, as I mentioned before, those who refuse to choose, or choose the wrong side, or aren't sure, will be the first ones hunted - by both sides.One of the most unpleasant features of the Dreaming Celestian's actions is the reduction of choices to a binary decision, ignoring and eliminating any nuance and shading in favour of a simplistic duality. One might argue that this "simplification" strains out the very revelations that the Parodyverse's story was supposed to reveal, but despite his power and knowledge, the Space Robot is unaware of the value of those "wouldn't choose if they could help it" and those "wouldn't fight like this here and now" types who might otherwise uncover some answers in the margins. Of course, we have not yet even established what "the Question" that "the Creators" established the Parodyverse for was, so its hard to anticipate "the Answer". If the Question was "What shall we have for lunch?" then its hard to see how a big final heroes vs villains killathon will help out. Quote: |
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