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Subject: Visionary offers a review of "The Vision" comic from Marvel, issues #1 & #2 Posted Mon Dec 21, 2015 at 01:54:20 am EST |
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It seems as though by all rights I should have hated these comics... Most notably, the version of the Vision that appears in them seems to most closely resemble the "Byrned", emotionless Vision. He's not truly emotionless, but a blurb on the opening credits page of the issue informs me that the Vision has recently "purged the emotions associated with his memories from his hard drive in order to keep his processing system running smoothly." The number of objections I have to that sentence alone are fairly substantial, with terms like "hard drive" and "Processing system" clashing quite heavily with my favorite version of the character, who argued that he was no different from a man with an artificial leg or heart... he just had artificial everything. Here, the emphasis in completely on him being a machine. So imagine my surprise when I found I really enjoyed these two issues. Chalk it up to a combination of disassociation (I really don't even emotionally connect this to the Vision I grew up with) and some clever, intriguing writing. Despite being a Marvel comic, and apparently set within the current continuity, this seems very much like an attempt at a "Vertigo" kind of book. It's decidedly not a super-hero tale in the classic sense, being more like the kind of mature soap-opera that you would find playing out in an edgy cable television show. The premise of the series is basically that The Vision is apparently now the Avengers' Liaison to the President of the U.S.A., and has created a family of synthezoids that he lives with in a D.C. suburb. This is not the first time that Marvel has published a comic about the Vision trying to fit in to suburban living, but this approach is decidedly different than the one in his mini-series with the Scarlet Witch, which was ultimately about family, love and tolerance overcoming hardships. There's a significantly darker feeling to all of this, and a pervading sense of dread hanging over the whole thing. We are repeatedly led to believe that this is not going to end up being a happy story by details in the omniscient narration... and considering how quickly the whole thing descends into murder and blackmail within just 2 issues, it's not hard to believe that. I can go into details and spoilers if anyone is really interested, but in general I'd say that it's definitely worth a look, especially if you share any of the interests that I have and have touched on in various stories about Hallie or Artificial Intelligence in general. It's not really a big-picture Science Fiction kind of thing, though. It's very intimate, and slightly... "off". In short, it's very different than anything I was really expecting, and that makes it somewhat fascinating. | |
HH |
Subject: You would be my number 1 choice of reviewer for this book [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Dec 21, 2015 at 07:06:23 am EST |
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I haven't read it, or any new comic for several years, but I understand that it has been well receivied amongst critics. Quote: It seems as though by all rights I should have hated these comics... A sad legacy of the Byrne and post-Vyrne process is that many writers and readers don;t get the core "heart" of Vision's story. Quote: So imagine my surprise when I found I really enjoyed these two issues. Chalk it up to a combination of disassociation (I really don't even emotionally connect this to the Vision I grew up with) and some clever, intriguing writing.I read the first few pages online. If one gets past the initial dissonance there is definitely something interesting there. Quote: Despite being a Marvel comic, and apparently set within the current continuity, this seems very much like an attempt at a "Vertigo" kind of book. It's decidedly not a super-hero tale in the classic sense, being more like the kind of mature soap-opera that you would find playing out in an edgy cable television show. Marvel does seem to be taking more risks these days with its style and content, in a good way. People keep pointing me towards Kamala Khan, for example. Quote: ... and considering how quickly the whole thing descends into murder and blackmail within just 2 issues, it's not hard to believe that.We all have days at the office like that. Quote: I can go into details and spoilers if anyone is really interested, but in general I'd say that it's definitely worth a look, Put me down for "interested". | |
Al B. Harper |
Subject: I agree with the Hood. [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Dec 21, 2015 at 08:12:50 am EST |
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How are you V-Man? I haven't read a comic in ages either, but I'd be happy to read more if you want to write more, so feel free to spoil me away. I anyone knows the Vision better than anyone it's the Vision..ary. What was your take on movie-Vision? (I assume you've seen the latest Avengers movie by now) Al B. | |
Visionary |
Subject: A more detailed and spoiler filled look at the series [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Dec 21, 2015 at 12:03:24 pm EST |
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Visionary |
Subject: And yet they didn't think to send me a free copy! [Re: HH] Posted Mon Dec 21, 2015 at 12:34:45 pm EST |
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Quote: I haven't read it, or any new comic for several years, but I understand that it has been well receivied amongst critics.I had read good things about it online myself. Quote: A sad legacy of the Byrne and post-Vyrne process is that many writers and readers don;t get the core "heart" of Vision's story.Yes, it created a generation of readers who thought that the character who famously cried in his second appearance was always supposed to be emotionless. Honestly, I'm not even sure how Byrne ever came to that conclusion himself. Quote: Put me down for "interested".I've posted a more lengthy run-through above of plot points and some thoughts on it all. There's a lot that one could go over in just those two issues though, let alone the implications of it all. | |
Visionary |
Subject: That's usually the safest way to avoid being retconned. [Re: Al B. Harper] Posted Mon Dec 21, 2015 at 12:58:46 pm EST |
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Quote: How are you V-Man?Ups and downs and various trials to overcome, but generally I'm doing all right. I hope the same or better goes for you! Quote: I haven't read a comic in ages either, but I'd be happy to read more if you want to write more, so feel free to spoil me away. I've put a more lengthy post above with spoilers in it for anyone who is interested. I, too, have been very much out of the Marvel comics loop... I happened to pick these two issues up while Christmas shopping and finding myself passing the mall's comic book store. While there I saw a poster advertising the "Korvac Saga", only it seemed to be all new artwork of the classic Guardians of the Galaxy along with the Vision and Jocasta, while looming over all of them was a menacing, bubbly-blue, Ionic-energy version of Wonder Man... so I have no idea what that was. A new Korvac Saga? Are they recycling that storyline now? I'm around 90% sure that I really saw it though, and it wasn't just some odd fever dream brought on by crowds and shopping fatigue. Quote: I anyone knows the Vision better than anyone it's the Vision..ary.Well, minus the last 10 years or so of publishing. Something important might have happened in all that. Maybe. Quote: What was your take on movie-Vision? (I assume you've seen the latest Avengers movie by now)Actually, I think the existence of Movie Vision allows me to approach weird takes on the character with a more Zen-like peace, because I approved of him, by and large, and feel he is thus safely cemented into pop culture to a reassuring degree. For a while, it seemed like he was destined to be a cast-off and fade away, and every botched attempt at him just reinforced the idea in current readers that the character wasn't worth using. Now that he's a player in one of the biggest franchises to ever exist, I think he'll keep coming back around regardless of what is done to him. I found the movie costume to overly busy, as movie costumes tend to be for whatever reason. (I suspect that costume designers resent having their work already done for them by mere comic book artists and so overcompensate.) I don't really get the cut-out nature of it in places (especially the back of his head) and I miss the suggestion of a collar of some sort (hell, it could have been a holographic halo like effect around him.) I also think that he looks better with darker eyes, and wish that the merchandise of him could decide what his color scheme actually was. All that aside, I quite like Paul Bettany's portrayal of him... I think he nailed the soulful, thoughtful take on him. I of course would like to see him get angry sometime... I don't know if that's in the cards. It seems like there is probably something going on with the character and the Scarlet Witch in "Civil War", and if so I would approve of that. His origin was kind of a mess, which I suppose is appropriately reflecting of his comics origin, which is likewise albeit with very different details. I fully expect him to have that Infinity Gem taken out of his head, and then for Paul Rudd's Ant-man to travel inside him and repair him in time for the final showdown with Thanos. Should that fail to happen and he is left sidelined, I will be supremely disappointed. The one major complaint I have is that they have so far done absolutely nothing interesting with his phasing powers. I don't think the general audience even realizes that it is something he can do at this point. I saw a deleted, alternate take on his "birth" scene where he at least he lets Cap's shield pass through him. Hopefully in the next film they can use that ability for some interesting action sequences. | |
HH |
Subject: When will movies and modern comics alike learn not to mess with the classic costume designs? [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Dec 21, 2015 at 04:45:59 pm EST (Viewed 1 times) |
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Telepatic Yo, with a Christmas request at the end of the post Come on, come and play |
Subject: Ja, just read the #2 and came here hoping for this to happen..a review by Visionary himself..it is Christmas day ;) [Re: Visionary] Posted Tue Dec 22, 2015 at 03:41:29 pm EST (Viewed 1 times) |
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Visionary |
Subject: Now you need to do an in-depth review of the Scarlet Witch comic! [Re: Telepatic Yo, with a Christmas request at the end of the post] Posted Wed Dec 23, 2015 at 12:34:47 am EST |
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Al B. Harper |
Subject: Does sound interesting, thanks for the comprehensive review! [Re: Visionary] Posted Fri Dec 25, 2015 at 06:53:42 am EST |
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Al B. Harper |
Subject: I started a Christmas story once, I think it had the Juniors going through a wardrobe Narnia style. I'm fairly certain it never got completed. :) [Re: Telepatic Yo, with a Christmas request at the end of the post] Posted Fri Dec 25, 2015 at 06:55:25 am EST |
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yo b |
Subject: Re: I started a Christmas story once, I think it had the Juniors going through a wardrobe Narnia style. I'm fairly certain it never got completed. :) [Re: Al B. Harper] Posted Fri Dec 25, 2015 at 04:06:29 pm EST |
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Al B. Harper will post what he found. |
Subject: LOL, you wrote part 2 Cutie Yo! [Re: yo b] Posted Fri Dec 25, 2015 at 05:55:44 pm EST |
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Yo losing her/his memories with age |
Subject: JAja...YEP..i CAN SEEIT..rEADING SOME CHAPTERS RIGHT NOW AND GREATLY ENJOYING IT [Re: Al B. Harper will post what he found.] Posted Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 05:34:15 am EST |
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Yo |
Subject: I wish I knew how..but I will try if I find the time... [Re: Visionary] Posted Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 05:41:13 am EST |
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