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Subject: First marketing poster for the Avengers movie, showing off new costumes: Posted Mon Jun 13, 2011 at 09:10:54 pm EDT (Viewed 393 times) |
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Subject: I have a feeling this film will either be very good or very bad. [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Jun 13, 2011 at 10:22:14 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times) |
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Fortunately this poster leads me towards the former rather than the latter. | |
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Subject: Glad about the movie, ambiguous about the poster. [Re: Visionary] Posted Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 05:56:47 am EDT (Viewed 6 times) |
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On the poster: I know this isn't the officially "launched" advertising poster, but it must have some degree of legitimacy; so it's fair to say that some art director and some art director's boss have said "Yeah, that's what we want to show our moviegoing public." Bad move. On the good side it conveys a few things to its target audience - there's an Avengers movie and these are the people in it and they'll be doing action stuff. And it uses a "proper" logo. On the bad side it looks like one of those naff DVD covers for a TV series where some intern has pasted together a bunch of images in photoshop to make a montage. In fact I think that's exactly what they've done. Look at where the light is reflecting on each of the figures. Also look at the focus - where each of these characters is coming from and going to, and then where our attention is supposed to be directed. Iron Man's flying right out of the poster and over my left shoulder. Cap's glaring at something I can't see off to the right of the poster, possibly the same thing the Black Widow is waving her legs at. Thor's heading up up and away in is staring at the moon. The Hulk's about to smash Thor, presumably for having his light shining from the left whereas most of the rest of the team are lit more-or-less from the right. And Hawkeye's about to shoot Cap in the back. There is no actual viewer focus. The bright colours drag attention away from the key thing, which is the name of the movie (in grey). I know this doesn't mean the movie's unfocused with different actors heading off in different directions, confused elements clashing, and a lack of understanding of the basic principles of the craft, but the poster doesn't exactly suggest competence and quality. It suggests "make do" and haste. Compare and contrast with Avengers vol 3 #25 and Avengers vol 1 #168. My niggle is that given a $100,000 budget for the movie couldn't they have used just a fraction of it to commission an original piece of work for a poster? Maybe Alex Ross? | |
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Subject: Still not sold on Cap without the head wings. Though I do heart Scarlett Johansson. [Re: Visionary] Posted Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 07:17:38 am EDT |
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Subject: It's hard to tell with the picture quality, but it looks to me like Cap has wings... [Re: Al B. Harper] Posted Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 09:46:05 am EDT |
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Something between the "just painted on" ones he has in his solo movie and the "stand up like Batman's ears" ones he has in the comics. It looks like he has large, embossed-style ones on the sides of his mask, raised up like the star on his chest. Could be wrong, however. It's not my preference, but it's another step in the right direction. As for Scarlet, she's maybe not terribly convincing as a Russian agent with a hard edge, but I have no complaints about looking at her in skin-tight outfits for a film. | |
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Subject: Marketing people tend to go astray easily... [Re: HH] Posted Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 11:36:19 am EDT (Viewed 339 times) |
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It reminds me quite a bit of the kind of thing I'd see when I was working as an art director. The publisher was given access to all of our materials, which they forwarded to their marketing people (who forwarded them to an outsourced firm or two). They'd come back with stuff that was just horrible in the eyes of all of us who were actually working on the game. We were making a steam punk/decaying industrial world and they were producing accompanying materials with highly modern fonts and lens flare levels of shine. There's an art book out there filled with a bunch of my concept art for the game that I absolutely loathe... Not only is it laid out like a modern tech manual for Stark Industries latest works, with digital looking type floating over clean backgrounds, but it's so poorly laid out in general with bad composition for each page. The existence of the book was enough for the marketing team, obviously... whoever put it together probably had no idea what it was for and was following the most basic of instructions about what to include. To some degree, I understand... I certainly didn't have time to oversee the game and also look after an expensive marketing campaign as well, nor do I have the experience to make me qualified to do so. However, it does seem that these massive entertainment companies are all too quick to put these materials into the hands of the least creative people. As near as I can tell, this poster exists to sell the Avengers film to companies that want to be promotional partners... Toy companies, fast food companies, people making coloring books, whatever. It was likely assembled from various promotional photographs of the actors, and then any costume elements that were new or different enough were painted on based off of concept drawings. Then the whole thing was painted over to make it a more unified illustration. It's actually fairly common these days, and if you look up recent movie posters you'll see that they're quite often awful while being extremely simple photoshop compositions with each actor cut out and pasted onto a background together. On some of these posters, it's clear that the camera angles do not match... On most of them, the harsh outlines and mismatched lighting make it clear to even a novice eye that these characters were not occupying the same space. Major studios tend to be okay with this, for some reason. I suppose because it's cheap, it's fast, and it doesn't risk alienating any potential audience by featuring a "style" they could object to. When a film unexpectedly flops at the box office, people look for a reason. If the advertising materials are in any way unusual, people will often point to those. The film "Knight and Day" starring Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz did much less business than most expected last year. Hollywood pointed to the ad campaign, which featured stylized posters of character silhouettes in action poses, with "Cruise" and "Diaz" in a larger font than the title of the film. People argued that it must have flopped because they didn't show the actor's faces. This kind of thing leads, more and more, to the "floating heads" poster design. I can't even blame the marketing people for phoning it in if they're going to catch the blame for any miss if there's any possible difference in what they did. Why stick your neck out? Do the minimum that's expected and hope nobody notices anything original about your work. | |
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Subject: Some examples [Re: Visionary] Posted Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:15:34 pm EDT (Viewed 359 times) |
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Quote: It's actually fairly common these days, and if you look up recent movie posters you'll see that they're quite often awful while being extremely simple photoshop compositions with each actor cut out and pasted onto a background together. On some of these posters, it's clear that the camera angles do not match... On most of them, the harsh outlines and mismatched lighting make it clear to even a novice eye that these characters were not occupying the same space.Here's the poster for this summer's hit "Fast Five". This is the banner form of it, but the actual theatrical poster was the exact same image, just with a lot of empty sky above it to conform to the vertical poster dimensions. Look at how haphazardly these characters and cars have been combined. This was the *final, approved design* put in thousands of theaters to promote a film over $100m in budget and with a monstrous marketing budget. Quote: Major studios tend to be okay with this, for some reason. I suppose because it's cheap, it's fast, and it doesn't risk alienating any potential audience by featuring a "style" they could object to. When a film unexpectedly flops at the box office, people look for a reason. If the advertising materials are in any way unusual, people will often point to those.... I can't even blame the marketing people for phoning it in if they're going to catch the blame for any miss if there's any possible difference in what they did. Why stick your neck out? Do the minimum that's expected and hope nobody notices anything original about your work.For instance, compare and contrast the individual character posters sent to theaters to advertise "SuckerPunch", which flopped earlier this year: With those of Marvel's Captain America film, yet to be released: Could they have put less effort into those Cap shots? They're all crudely cut out and pasted onto the exact same cloudy background, regardless of the lighting color. If those posters took more than 20 minutes each, I'd be shocked. Oh, and lest I leave everyone depressed over the state of the Captain America film, here is at least one fun poster for the flick: As you can read at the source article (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/vintage-captain-america-avenger-poster) this was created originally to be the cover to a tie-in comic but ended up being produced as a limited number of prints especially for the cast and crew of the film. It won't be hanging in any theaters, though. | |
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Subject: I'm looking forward to it, and tend to believe it'll be a lot of fun. [Re: Messenger] Posted Tue Jun 14, 2011 at 12:35:53 pm EDT (Viewed 369 times) |
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Scott Location: Southwest US Member Since: Sun Sep 02, 2007 Posts: 326 |
Subject: Looks good. High hopes for this movie! [Re: Visionary] Posted Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 09:57:02 am EDT (Viewed 369 times) |
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Visionary Moderator Will most likely see it when it reaches his television in one way or another. Member Since: Sat Jan 03, 2004 Posts: 2,131 |
Subject: I do too. So what did you think of Green Lantern? [Re: Scott] Posted Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 08:58:44 am EDT (Viewed 357 times) |
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Scott Location: Southwest US Member Since: Sun Sep 02, 2007 Posts: 326 |
Subject: Loved it. [Re: Visionary] Posted Sun Jun 19, 2011 at 11:30:48 pm EDT (Viewed 345 times) |
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Sure, the "I know... right?" scene wasn't good, but the rest was fine. I got goose bumps seeing the GL logo appear. I've wanted a movie for my favorite hero since I was a child! Did you get my email about the publishing date I'm shooting for? It's hard cuase I never know if you get them and I don't want to nag. |
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