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Subject: BBC's Sherlock and AMC's The Walking Dead Posted Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 11:31:21 pm EST (Viewed 524 times) |
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No, they're not doing some cross-over episodes (although... No, I suppose that really wouldn't work well at all). I'm just talking about both because they both recently aired here in the US.
Sherlock
I was quite impressed with the new Sherlock series as a whole. It worked surprisingly well as a modern telling of the classic detective. I've heard plenty of people rank it first against other recent adaptations of the famous detective (RDJ's Sherlock Holmes film and House M.D., to be specific) and I can definitely see where they're coming from.
I have to give Hugh Laurie's Dr. House credit for being the first (that I've seen, at least) to apply the modern "bro-mance" concept to the Holmes/Watson relationship with the House/Wilson dynamic on that show. He also really nailed the anti-social jerkiness of the character quite well. But then, his version of Holmes is diluted somewhat by focusing on medical mysteries instead of murder mysteries... so I give the BBC's the edge for being a far more concentrated dose of Holmes.
(I enjoyed Robert Downey Jr.'s take on the character as well, and quite liked the period stylings of it, but it definitely has the more cartoonish feel to it.)
So I was quite loving the new Sherlock series, and then earlier tonight I watched the third episode... and it all just sort of fell apart. I felt the ending was horrible. Not only did the story not go anywhere, but after all that build up to his introduction, their version of Moriarty was just god-awful. Nothing about him worked for me. It was like the least threatening person in the world tried to play the Joker. His flaming personality didn't come off as frightening or even legitimately unhinged... Just annoying.
And what was his plot? It apparently wasn't the missile plans... it apparently was just to #*@$ with Holmes, which is something I could maybe believe of some grandiose and famous criminal, but not of one that has apparently been so successful at covering his tracks and never giving anything of himself away until this point. It certainly couldn't help his business as a "consulting criminal" that he gave up his clients, putting Holmes on their cases in order to play this little game. And the whole idea of it being a way to tell Holmes to back off doesn't work when Holmes really didn't seem to be onto anything to begin with... Every time Holmes crossed paths with one of Moriarty's plans, it seemed to be because Moriarty steered it that way. So... why? No answer is given.
In fact, no ending is given to the episode. I don't mind cliffhangers (although when no further shows have been filmed, and there's only a vague idea that they'll make more a year from now, I'm not too thrilled with them either), but that particular non-ending was really horrible. There was absolutely nothing satisfying about it for me. They'll really have to dig themselves out of the hole they left themselves in when they get around to some more.
Other than that final 10 minutes or so, it really is a great show and well cast.
The Walking Dead
Anyway, I also watched my DVRed copy of AMC's The Walking Dead opening episode, based on the comic which I haven't read. Really quite good, but then I enjoy a good zombie flick anyway. This is another series where there are only a handful of episodes (6 for this verses 3 for Sherlock) before the end of the season and no solid promise when more will ever come. Still, I hear both shows were big hits so I'm sure more will be on the way.
I was very impressed with the special effects in the opening... some of those zombies are really impressive. What I like most, however, is that the format of an ongoing show allows them the time to really delve into the idea of a zombie apocalypse in ways that movies cannot. The first episode was practically feature length already, and yet didn't have to take things much farther than the initial set up. In some ways it makes it slow, but it really does allow the quiet moments to take root. Shows like "Lost" annoy me because they're based on a premise that has a definitive resolution (getting off the island) and you know that the only way for the show to last is to artificially delay that resolution for as long as possible. Here, there's no resolution waiting just over the horizon. There's no urgency to move on with the plot or to get the clues... it's all about the "now" of the situation. It makes it a much more satisfying viewing experience for me.
I do, however, dread the inevitable conflict among the living. I'm curious to see if I can stick with this show for the long term... I bowed out of shows like "E.R." when I realized that they were essentially about nothing but endless misery for the characters. I've got my own problems... I don't need to get attached to fictional characters and then sweat about their troubles too. With the dead over-running society, it'll be a tough balancing act to keep audiences from being fatigued by the hopeless situation. The first episode, however, had a really nice tone to it... hopefully they can maintain that balance.
In any event, I was quite thrilled to find 2 new scripted shows on television that really felt new and fresh while reviving some old classics. Soooo much more satisfying than reality television.
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CrazySugarFreakBoy!
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Subject: The Walking Dead TV show has been good so far, but the comic succumbs to exactly the problems you're worried about, except even worse. [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 03:21:33 am EST (Viewed 445 times) |
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Subject: It can be hard to avoid, I suppose... [Re: CrazySugarFreakBoy!] Posted Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 01:33:52 pm EST (Viewed 583 times) |
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The whole "Lord of the Flies" angle is pretty much ingrained into any post-apocalyptic story, but if that's all they have going for them then I think they grow tiring pretty quickly. The best post-apocalyptic stuff tends to have societies that the viewers can see are worth protecting and saving because despite the harshness of the world there's a core of good to them... they represent safety and possibility for the return of society. However, when it's just lone good people in a crappy world being hunted and persecuted by the worst of humanity that now reigns supreme then I begin to question what the point is to their existence, and why I really want to watch them suffer constantly.
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Nats
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Subject: The Walking Dead comic is the bleakest, most depressing comic I've read, non-Chris-Ware category. [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 05:39:42 pm EST (Viewed 536 times) |
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Subject: I suppose it's worth noting that the classics of the zombie genre... [Re: Nats] Posted Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 07:25:36 pm EST (Viewed 515 times) |
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...Usually end with nobody making it out alive.
Spoilers follow, in case anyone is sensitive to hearing them:
In "Night of the Living Dead", which pretty much launched the idea of a zombie apocalypse (as opposed to isolated witch doctors raising individual zombies and such), order does seem to be restored by morning as the authorities and good ole boys with guns get the situation under seeming control. However, they mistakenly kill the last survivor of the main cast without ever realizing it.
In the original "Dawn of the Dead" the version that got released had the last two survivors of the mall take off to a fate unknown in a helicopter low on fuel over a world ruled by the dead. This was actually considered the upbeat, changed ending... in the original ending, the characters were to commit suicide after realizing their lives were hollow and meaningless now.
The remake of "Dawn of the Dead" had a band of survivors make it to a boat and head for an island in Lake Michigan. Scenes shown during the credits suggest they found that island overrun with zombies as well and fell victim to them.
In "Return of the Living Dead" the survivors call the emergency number on the side of the busted chemical drum that started the outbreak in that film. The military sends help right away in the form of a missile that destroys the callers along with the entire town (and launches the chemical into the atmosphere to fall down upon a larger area as chemical rain.)
On the flip side, humanity actually wins in "World War Z" (the novel) and society seems more or less restored by the time of the book's narration. So I guess it's possible to come back to a happy ending.
Or, you can end up with something like "The Road". Yikes.
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Nats
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Subject: Oh, yes. [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 09:59:32 pm EST (Viewed 464 times) |
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Zombie movies don't get happy endings, unless they are Shaun of the Dead.
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Nitz the Bloody
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Subject: I stopped reading the Walking Dead for the same reasons... [Re: Visionary] Posted Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 11:37:17 pm EST (Viewed 547 times) |
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Quote: The whole "Lord of the Flies" angle is pretty much ingrained into any post-apocalyptic story, but if that's all they have going for them then I think they grow tiring pretty quickly. The best post-apocalyptic stuff tends to have societies that the viewers can see are worth protecting and saving because despite the harshness of the world there's a core of good to them... they represent safety and possibility for the return of society. However, when it's just lone good people in a crappy world being hunted and persecuted by the worst of humanity that now reigns supreme then I begin to question what the point is to their existence, and why I really want to watch them suffer constantly.
Good point. I stopped reading the Walking Dead early on, because it just didn't click with me. I love depressing stories ( as demonstrated by my own work, and by my recent obsession with Metal Gear Solid ), but that's either in the context of a story having a sad ENDING, or a story having ups and downs but enough ups to give some sense of hope. With the Walking Dead, everyone's doomed and is just going to get more and more miserable as they approach the end, so where's the surprise?
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CrazySugarFreakBoy!
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Subject: "WITHOUT ever realizing it"? [Re: Visionary] Posted Tue Nov 09, 2010 at 02:53:33 am EST (Viewed 521 times) |
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He was a black man in the '60s. They were a gang of white good ol' boys.
I don't think they CARED whether he was a zombie or not.
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Subject: While that's the subtext... [Re: CrazySugarFreakBoy!] Posted Tue Nov 09, 2010 at 08:00:59 am EST (Viewed 456 times) |
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Quote: He was a black man in the '60s. They were a gang of white good ol' boys.
I don't think they CARED whether he was a zombie or not.
To be fair to the fictional sheriff and his posse, that's all subtext. I don't think there are any lines that give a direct suggestion that the men are racist, or that they even saw that the movie's lead character was black before they shot him.
It's notable that the role of Ben wasn't specifically written for a black actor. It was a genius (and daring) bit of casting, but presumably white, uneducated truck driver Ben from the original script meets the same fate. They definitely played up the imagery afterwords to reinforce the idea that some members of society can't look to the rest for rescue, certainly.
I think the Vietnam subtext is quite strong there as well, with the troops moving through the countryside fighting hostiles with little regard to who is civilian and who is an enemy.
Future zombie films would play up these angles with lynchings and taunting of the dead, and callous, armed members of the living enjoying the violence they get to dish out, losing their humanity in the war against the unliving. Night of the Living Dead played things pretty straightforwardly though.
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Subject: I tend to think of the differences between "Mad Max" and "The Road Warrior"... [Re: Nitz the Bloody] Posted Tue Nov 09, 2010 at 09:04:33 am EST (Viewed 4 times) |
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Good point. I stopped reading the Walking Dead early on, because it just didn't click with me. I love depressing stories ( as demonstrated by my own work, and by my recent obsession with Metal Gear Solid ), but that's either in the context of a story having a sad ENDING, or a story having ups and downs but enough ups to give some sense of hope. With the Walking Dead, everyone's doomed and is just going to get more and more miserable as they approach the end, so where's the surprise?
As I noted, I haven't read the comic so I can't speak in regards to that, but I do enjoy some post-apocalyptic stuff enough despite the bleak setting to see how an audience would want to revisit it.
"Mad Max" was a hit for its hard action and grindhouse sensibilities. Whether it's the gang-member having his hand torn off by the mother's car or Mel Gibson beating Rorschach to the "give the evil, hand-cuffed villian a hacksaw and a suggestion before he burns alive" bit, it has enough filmmaking "oomph" to understand why it spawned a series. However, the world it paints is a dreary one... Gibson's family exist solely to be vulnerable and preyed upon. Society no longer seems to exist at all, just the highway patrol, rare and far spread harmless civilians and bloodthirsty motorcycle gangs. The whole idea of this movie seems to be to drop the loving family unit into this horror to see them torn to shreads.
The sequel "The Road Warrior", however, re-envisioned the world. People weren't scattered far and wide... there was a central civilization to the conflict. And while the people there might be hardened, they were not predators turning on each other... the danger was coming from outside. It was a straightforward heroic adventure film and its popularity exploded in comparison to the nihilistic "Mad Max".
It's also worth noting that in the second film the villains had no way to hurt the hero other than physically. He had lost everything he cared about in the original film and all that was left was pure action hero. They couldn't torture his family or torment him with worry any longer. He was an avatar that the audience could comfortably use to enter this world, protected by an aura of bad-ass... As such, the miseries of the world were kept at bay somewhat. We could sympathize with the other people who still suffered and root for the hero to help them, but we weren't forced to be in their shoes. I think that makes a huge difference in how palatable an incredibly bleak world might be.
Seeing a story through the eyes of a victim is draining experience, despite (or directly because of) whatever depth it offers. However, seeing the exact same set up through the eyes of Clint Eastwood's Man with No Name who just arrived in town, and the audience tends to say "Hell yes... More please!"
I'm sure there's plenty of room for balance between the two... it'll be interesting to see if the television version of The Walking Dead (which they admit will deviate from the comic as it goes on in order to keep both fresh) will be able to find it.
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CrazySugarFreakBoy!
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Subject: In its own weird way, Beyond Thunderdome was even more optimistic. [Re: Visionary] Posted Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 12:40:29 am EST (Viewed 490 times) |
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For all her faults, even Max's adversary, Auntie Entity, was motivated by the noble goal of wanting to rebuild the world without making the mistakes of old, to the point that even the barbarities of Thunderdome itself effectively accomplish the admirable goal of preempting any sort of larger wars. Moreover, once she realizes that she's lost, rather than killing Max, Auntie simply laughs and bids him farewell, because she sees no need for further bloodshed. How many other action movie adversaries have that much class or grace?
Likewise, as cloying as a lot of fans find the Waiting Ones, I loved seeing how they'd transformed modern media and their own circumstances into a hopeful cargo cult ("the tell," a dual reference to storytelling and to television, was an especially inspired narrative device). It's worth noting that Savannah Nix's final lines speak of leaving the lights on in the cities, so that Max and all the other lost souls can eventually find their way home.
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