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The trailer is up at newsarama. I have to question the writing a bit, since the kids seem to *want* to hear the bedtime story about how Ultron murdered their parents... but then, maybe they don't know who their parents were.

In any event, I'm glad to see that there's a Marvel property that acknowledges that Vizh existed. And really, it's a pretty good line-up from the past... even though I'm guessing we never get to see them in action, what with all the animation from that part being still cut-outs. I also note that Vizh disappears halfway through that story, never to be mentioned again. I have to guess that if they bother to establish he was on the team, that he'll have some role to play in the kids fighting off Ultron... or maybe he *is* Ultron. Lord only knows. Newsarama says that Tony Stark is the one looking after the kids.

Not the best looking designs at the end, but who knows? I like the premise of this better than that quasi Ultimates direct to DVD movie they made.

See the trailer:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=151395





Hatman


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I've seen the trailer, and I think it looks terrible. If the original Avengers can't stop Ultron, how on earth do their kids?

I wish Marvel would, just for once, try doing a cartoon about the Avengers. Not the Ultimate Avengers, not that terribly-animated cartoon they did awhile back, not their kids, just a straight Avengers movie.

I remember when the cartoon came out they said they didn't include Cap, Thor, or Iron Man because they didn't want the show to become about the Big 3.

DC didn't leave Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman out of Justice League.

~Hat~




killer shrike



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>
> The trailer is up at newsarama. I have to question the writing a bit, since the kids seem to *want* to hear the bedtime story about how Ultron murdered their parents... but then, maybe they don't know who their parents were.
>
> In any event, I'm glad to see that there's a Marvel property that acknowledges that Vizh existed. And really, it's a pretty good line-up from the past... even though I'm guessing we never get to see them in action, what with all the animation from that part being still cut-outs. I also note that Vizh disappears halfway through that story, never to be mentioned again. I have to guess that if they bother to establish he was on the team, that he'll have some role to play in the kids fighting off Ultron... or maybe he *is* Ultron. Lord only knows. Newsarama says that Tony Stark is the one looking after the kids.
>
> Not the best looking designs at the end, but who knows? I like the premise of this better than that quasi Ultimates direct to DVD movie they made.
>
> See the trailer:
>
> http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=151395
>





HH



Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows 2000

>
> The trailer is up at newsarama. I have to question the writing a bit, since the kids seem to *want* to hear the bedtime story about how Ultron murdered their parents... but then, maybe they don't know who their parents were.
>
> In any event, I'm glad to see that there's a Marvel property that acknowledges that Vizh existed. And really, it's a pretty good line-up from the past... even though I'm guessing we never get to see them in action, what with all the animation from that part being still cut-outs. I also note that Vizh disappears halfway through that story, never to be mentioned again. I have to guess that if they bother to establish he was on the team, that he'll have some role to play in the kids fighting off Ultron... or maybe he *is* Ultron. Lord only knows. Newsarama says that Tony Stark is the one looking after the kids.
>
> Not the best looking designs at the end, but who knows? I like the premise of this better than that quasi Ultimates direct to DVD movie they made.
>
> See the trailer:
>
> http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=151395
>





Hatman


Member Since: Thu Jan 01, 1970
Posts: 618

Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP

> >
> > The trailer is up at newsarama. I have to question the writing a bit, since the kids seem to *want* to hear the bedtime story about how Ultron murdered their parents... but then, maybe they don't know who their parents were.
> >
> > In any event, I'm glad to see that there's a Marvel property that acknowledges that Vizh existed. And really, it's a pretty good line-up from the past... even though I'm guessing we never get to see them in action, what with all the animation from that part being still cut-outs. I also note that Vizh disappears halfway through that story, never to be mentioned again. I have to guess that if they bother to establish he was on the team, that he'll have some role to play in the kids fighting off Ultron... or maybe he *is* Ultron. Lord only knows. Newsarama says that Tony Stark is the one looking after the kids.
> >
> > Not the best looking designs at the end, but who knows? I like the premise of this better than that quasi Ultimates direct to DVD movie they made.
> >
> > See the trailer:
> >
> > http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=151395
> >





L!


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The short lived MC2 line of comics. That generation's Avengers were/are called: A-Next.




Hatman


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> The short lived MC2 line of comics. That generation's Avengers were/are called: A-Next.

A-Next was a new generation of Avengers, yes. I think a big difference though was they weren't kids, they were adults (well, J2 was a kid in an adult's body and Spider-Girl was a teenager, the rest were adults). Plus their costumes didn't look, y'know, bad.

Almost every superhero has seen some future history with their kids carrying on their legacy, in comics. Doing an animated movie about the Avengers kids (and based on the trailer I saw it's not based on the Ultimate movies, it's classic Avengers) when there hasn't actually been a movie about the Avengers seems kinda stupid to me. The uninitiated will look at this and go "Who?" You get more leeway in the comics.

~Hat~




L!


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> > The short lived MC2 line of comics. That generation's Avengers were/are called: A-Next.
>
> A-Next was a new generation of Avengers, yes. I think a big difference though was they weren't kids, they were adults (well, J2 was a kid in an adult's body and Spider-Girl was a teenager, the rest were adults). Plus their costumes didn't look, y'know, bad.

Yeah. I have most of the issues from the series & liked it the series (But the recent Avengers Next mini series sucked even through it was by the same people).

> Almost every superhero has seen some future history with their kids carrying on their legacy, in comics.

We've even had one!

> Doing an animated movie about the Avengers kids (and based on the trailer I saw it's not based on the Ultimate movies, it's classic Avengers) when there hasn't actually been a movie about the Avengers seems kinda stupid to me. The uninitiated will look at this and go "Who?" You get more leeway in the comics.

I see your point.

> ~Hat~

-Brian




CrazySugarFreakBoy!


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... Because at this point, the lack of a classic, non-Ultimate Avengers lineup in other media seems almost deliberately spiteful.



Visionary



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> ... Because at this point, the lack of a classic, non-Ultimate Avengers lineup in other media seems almost deliberately spiteful.

There was essentially a "Force Works" cartoon before there was anything remotely resembling an "Avengers" cartoon. The Avengers have been the step-child property at Marvel ever since their title passed out of its hey day in the 70's. It's hilarious to me to see the lengths they went to in order to adapt other properties while having absolutely no faith in the Avengers title. When they finally did do a cartoon, they had to radically alter the look and reinvent the wheel to believe that they could attract an audience with it.

And I still love Quesada's response to Avengers fans reservations about "Disassembled", where he said that if he were a fan of the book, he'd be thrilled that it was getting such all-star treatment... Of course, that treatment included killing off the core of the classic line-up (Cap, Thor, Vizh, and Hawkeye have all died since the star treatment began, while Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver went to full-blown crazy villainy) and replacing them with Wolverine, Spider-man and edgy street-level characters.

I also note that, walking into toy aisles, I can find Ultimates toys, and New Avengers toys easily enough (assortments of mini-figures for each team were quick to be produced), while classic Avengers stuff is few and far between, and has been since the 70's.

I'd say it's understated to call it "almost" deliberately spiteful. ;\-\) However, unlike the apparently unanimous reaction here, I find this all new approach with brand new characters that are tied to the *unaltered* classic characters (Hell, they showed the team facing off against Kang, Baron Zemo, Ultron and more without a redesign among them) less offensive to my sensibilities than reworking the classic characters into Ultimates or giving them pointless Manga armor, or any of that. I'd *much* rather have a true Avengers cartoon, but the inclusion of the true Avengers in this thing has at least piqued my curiosity.




Hatman


Member Since: Thu Jan 01, 1970
Posts: 618

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> > ... Because at this point, the lack of a classic, non-Ultimate Avengers lineup in other media seems almost deliberately spiteful.
>
> There was essentially a "Force Works" cartoon before there was anything remotely resembling an "Avengers" cartoon. The Avengers have been the step-child property at Marvel ever since their title passed out of its hey day in the 70's. It's hilarious to me to see the lengths they went to in order to adapt other properties while having absolutely no faith in the Avengers title. When they finally did do a cartoon, they had to radically alter the look and reinvent the wheel to believe that they could attract an audience with it.
>
> And I still love Quesada's response to Avengers fans reservations about "Disassembled", where he said that if he were a fan of the book, he'd be thrilled that it was getting such all-star treatment... Of course, that treatment included killing off the core of the classic line-up (Cap, Thor, Vizh, and Hawkeye have all died since the star treatment began, while Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver went to full-blown crazy villainy) and replacing them with Wolverine, Spider-man and edgy street-level characters.
>
> I also note that, walking into toy aisles, I can find Ultimates toys, and New Avengers toys easily enough (assortments of mini-figures for each team were quick to be produced), while classic Avengers stuff is few and far between, and has been since the 70's.
>
> I'd say it's understated to call it "almost" deliberately spiteful. ;\-\) However, unlike the apparently unanimous reaction here, I find this all new approach with brand new characters that are tied to the *unaltered* classic characters (Hell, they showed the team facing off against Kang, Baron Zemo, Ultron and more without a redesign among them) less offensive to my sensibilities than reworking the classic characters into Ultimates or giving them pointless Manga armor, or any of that. I'd *much* rather have a true Avengers cartoon, but the inclusion of the true Avengers in this thing has at least piqued my curiosity.

My issue with the Ultimate cartoons was they took elements of the classic and Ultimate Avengers and mashed them together in a blend that both the classic and Ultimate fans didn't like! For example, Iron Man is in red and gold armour, not that hideous grey with red/yellow helmet suit he wears in the Ultimate universe. Either have the guts to go all the way with an Ultimate cartoon (like Justice League: New Frontier did), or if you want to be safer do a quality classic one.

After watching the Ultimate movies (I downloaded them, glad I didn't pay for them) and the Iron Man movie (which had potential but ultimately wasn't that good), I have no faith in the Lions Gate animated Marvel movies. A brief scene at the beginning showing the classic Avengers isn't enough to get me onboard.

~Hat~





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