Well done!!!

What's the story behind it?

As for the story, I think it's probably one of Ian's, judging by the epic cast. Of course, Dancer is the only poster who has a character in that banner and hasn't checked in recently...

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Those thick borders around the characters reminds me of a technique Adam Hughes uses and Adam Warren pokes fun at (good humoredly, of course, in that he mimics it sometimes).

I think this is the first group pic that Yuki has been in.

My response should of course be "Untold Tales #335: Dinner and a Show", and in response to Vizh's excellent artwork I have just squeezed out another 3500 words of it. Unfortunately it's proving to be the most difficult thing I've had to write for quite a while and it's not short. I'm going to take a break now before tackling Lara and Co's exploits in the next scene.

Vizh isn't wrong in his estimation that all of the characters in his banner could be in the next chapter. Most of them already are. And I'm taking requests.

It's also clear that UT#335 and probably #336 will be roster-changing stories. Given that we're down to so few active posters now and we're no longer competing to get poster-characters on the LL (how well I remember the bitter poster correspondence of Jarvis' roster decisions - and even some problems with Finny's line-up choice) I think we may need to reconsider the rule I've always maintained about the line-up.

Previously I've maintained that each poster gets only one character ever in the Legion, with the exception that if that character permanently dies or departs then another can join. This makes good sense when there's a lot of posters about and it helps to keep the team numbers down to something that's writeable. However, at the moment I'm struggling to field an interesting varied roster using that method.

Of course it's not just up to me anyhow; but at the moment I'm the only person really writing the Lair Legion regularly and I'd really like a roster I'm comfortable with to encourage me.

So, without any guarantees that I'll actually use this, I'd like folks to comment on the following possible candidates for Legionnaires (grouped by poster)

Visionary
Hallie
Fleabot

Hatman
Rabid Wolf
Gamma Ray Gary

CrazySugarFreakBoy!
Pelopia
Glitch

Mr Epitome
Glory
Alcheman
Silver Aegis

Al B. Harper
Cho Cho Futago (Butterfly Twins)
Night Nurse

Yuki Shiro
Lara Night
Liu Xi Xian
Anna

The Manga Shoggoth

Dancer
Kerry Shepherdson
Danny Lyle

The Librarian
Ham-Boy
Semi-Transparent Lad

spiffy

ManMan & Knifey

dull thud & Cressida

Icy

Sir Mumphrey Wilton
Fashion Accessory
Vinnie De Soth
Tom Black

Donar
Harlagaz

Yo

Nats

Messenger

Baroness Zemo
Silicone Sally

Lisa Waltz

Champagne

The inconvievable Yurt
Anvil Man

And of course write-in votes are most welcome. Apologies to anybody whose characters I've omitted.

I think if a poster wants more than one of their creations in the Legion at this point, s/he should be allowed to do that, with the caveat that its understood they don't have to appear in everyone's stories about the team. This should be true for all characters, really. For example, if I wanted Kambyon the Kruel to be a member of the Lair Legion, but you despised the idea, you shouldn't be forced to include him in anything you write.

That said, I think the Lair Legion's line up should be whatever you want it to be. You're the one writing the stories about them, and should be allowed to select who you want to write about.


In conclusion, to keep from looking like I'm completely passing the buck, here's a LL line up I'd most like to see:

Hatty
CSFB!
Vizh
Hallie
Yuki
Al B
Dancer
Shoggoth
Samantha Featherstone (with the Chronometer of Infinity)
Donar
Sorceress
De Brown Streak
Trickshot
spiffy
Silicone Sally

There should be primary team members, one per poster, plus possibly support staff members who can get roped into extended cast adventures.

Primary team members:
Visionary - interplanetary liaison, diplomacy
Hatman - Legion base leader, law enforcement liaison
CrazySugarFreakBoy! - Legion field leader, Juniors base supervisor and teacher
Mr Epitome (or Silver Aegis) - armed forces liaison, military strategy
Al B. Harper - scientific research and theory, technology development
Yuki Shiro - criminal investigations, cyborg community liaison
The Manga Shoggoth - arcane knowledge resource, dimensional transportation expert
Dancer - probabilities wielder, community outreach
The Librarian - information retrieval and data analysis field agent

Primary team probationary members:
Tom Black - black ops field agent
Silicone Sally - deep cover espionage

Support staff members:
Hallie - information retrieval and data analysis base supervisor, artificial intelligence community liaison
Action Figure - public relations
Glory - Juniors program liaison and teaching assistant
Liu Xi Xian - elemental forces wielder, dimensional transportation apprentice
Sir Mumphrey Wilton - international liaison, black ops base supervisor

She's already in the Lair Legion! And since she had to leave her old life behind entirely to join, it would be difficult for her to leave.





There are three problems with Lara joining the Lair Legion: 1) Many people who write stories either don't like her or are afraid to use her, and the LL should be populated with characters anyone isn't afraid to use; 2) Lara isn't always around; and 3) she's not really defined clearly enough for most people.

I would think she would accept being some sort of reservist, perhaps, or an associate. But while it would be cool for her to have a full membership, I also understand that it might cause problems among the regular readers and posters, so I can't support it.





Liu Xi would have to be convinced to join the Lair Legion. She has a bit of an inferiority complex - she sees the current Lair Legion as real heroes with real powers, and doesn't believe she has what it takes.





That would be the ultimate irony, if Anna were made a full member. After all, she was designed by SPUD to exterminate them. She would be a great asset to the team, as long as she can keep her emotional nature in check. The LL would have to consider carefully whether she's ready.

I think Yuki's the most likely of your various cast members to join the LL - which is why she did! I can't see her leaving without some major trauma or overwhelmingly good reason.







Actually my main problem is that she's too powerful for everyday use. I can get away with heavy hitters like Donar, because they're sluggers and can just keep on hitting or being hit. With high-end energy manipulators they either have to go down in the first five seconds or they win the fight in the next five. Add in Lara's teleport-out ability and she's a very hard character to threaten.







I see that as a plus rather than a minus since it brings a natural story arc with it.







Anna would make a good Legionnaire if Hallie, Yuki and Al B. weren't already there. As it is we'd be getting one "supercharacter" that effectively does most if not all of what these three do; and because they're already established then reader naturally sympathises with them not the perfect replacement.

That said, I've learned the hard way not to discourage posters' personal enthusiasms for their characters on the team. I tried hard to convince Scott not to bring in a Peter Petrelli-type character with the ability to duplicate the powers of everyone around him because I felt it undercut everyone else's uniqueness and left the constant problem of why this one hero didn't just duplicate event villain's ability and use it to beat them. Scott was unhappy not to get his new hero on the team and I don't see him around here much now.

With the exception of Epitome who won't be back until KS wants him there that's pretty much the line-up we have now.

That said Dancer and Nats are likely to vanish off the roster soon unless their posters show up and pipe up.

I note G-Eyed and Messy were around this week though...







Problem with a black ops agent is that they don't have that much time with the main team. And having someone out there doing the dirty stuff might have happened - did happen - during Mumphrey's time as leader but doesn't seem like a Hatty kind of thing to do.




Same comment as above. The main fun of having volatile personalities like Sally - or Tom - around is in seeing how they spark off the rest of the team.







When KS says so. At this point I'd quite like Glory as a Legionnaire.




I'm not sure about Mumph being around. He tends to be one of those characters who would automatically weigh in and take charge if you're not careful.

I'd feel obliged to try and deal with it. The whole point of electing to write in a shared universe is that its a shared continuity. If I wanted to ignore other people's work I could just make up my own series entirely.




I'm honestly not sure how much longer I'll be writing these things. Even if the board holds up I'm not really holding up too well myself.







This one has been discussed before. I know there's a bit of fan support for Hallie.




I'm not sure the Legion's ready for a 14 year old member.




If only Gavan would drop by once in a while.




Ditto Whitney.




Ditto Josh; excpet he went to such lengths to tidy up his characters I feel guilty unpacking them again.




This is the character i miss writing the most, I think.




I'd be for this if Mark was.




I'd be happy to do this but I feel I'd need a bit more steer from JJJ to be able to do her justice. The danger is that otherwise I reinvent her for the LL and it's not JJJ's character any more.

I hope the break works because I really do enjoy reading your LL stories.




*tries to think of someone real obscure*

Madam Magica. Ten points for whoever can recall where she appeared.




It has worked well, but if you feel like changing or amending it to help the story then go ahead. Anyway, sticking to the standard rule we'd have (characters):

Visionary
Yuki Shiro
Hooded Hood
CSFB!

Wait. Did someone say put the Hood on the roster? Now there's an idea....

Why not add Killer Shrike while we're at it. heh heh. If poster KS isn't going to let us have Glory or Epitome then he should suffer.

All lead by the Carnifex.

Or maybe not.




What do you feel is missing from the current choice selection? Aside from just because they're missing posters (eg: Dancer), what particular character traits or powers do you feel the current selection is failing at providing? (eg: we only have Yuki as one female, so it would be good to bring back...Dancer (or whoever))?

Maybe if we can pin down some of the things that are lacking it will help deciding on who should fill the gap.

Before we get to your survey though (yay a membership survey!) I think you/we should also just consider using whomever we have from the 'vaults' to add where adding them will give a kick @$$ story. I know you said in the reply below that you're worried about using DBS or Silicone Sally because of the worry they will be reinvented for the LL and not be the posters character any more. But shared continuity works both ways and there is nothing to stop another poster coming back and writing about a character in the direction they want. The fluidity of the PV allows for these stretches too. If you have a great idea for Character X then go for it.

Now we really need a character called "Character X" but anyway onto the survey...











They're all members or close enough associates to be thought of as essential members already in my eyes. And really, if you're going to stretch the one member per poster rule for anyone it may as well be for the V-man.




Hatty is a great Legionnaire but I too wish poster Hatty was around more these days to enjoy his presence more.

Did I just contradict myself? Ah well, thems the breaks.






I'd like to see them hang around a bit more before they become members. Rabid Wolf has only just appeared again and GRG is who knows where, but...well I suppose if everyone else is dead from some horrid Carnifex inflicted death then sure.








I think it's time for the SugarFreak! to become the team leader of the LL. Particulary if Hatman is now lost. I mean, the Agent of Chaos as leader, it's bound to end in tears, but I think it would make for great drama.

Of the others I can see Glitch, but not with Yuki (and maybe Anna) on the same team. Too much overlap.











All of these are worthy choices. *Bashes KS over the head with a large trout until he says yes*
I've always liked Alcheman's quiet achiever-ness that would work well around some of the more colourful characters (especially if Hatman is lost). And Silver Aegis had some good story happening a while back that make me think he'd be a good candidate. Actually I'd like it a lot for him to join.








Ha ha you just added them so I didn't feel left out. Anyway, the Futago girls are rather blank slates (aside from being tee-hee'ing manga girls) so they could be taken whichever direction you want.
And Grace is a board-wide character anyway so wouldn't be breaking any rules. Not sure she fits in the LL per se though.










Yuki for sure!
Liu Xi - I can see it. She's often around enough anyway.
Lara....not too fond of (joining the LL that is) for reasons stated already in this thread.
Anna...could work. But I'd prefer Liu Xi as the next Jason character to join.
He's a prolific enough writer here that bending the one character rule would be justified.






Speak now posters or forever be bannished!

Well not forever, just until you show up again....






I'm not as into these two as everyone else.
But joining works. For Kerry especially.








Heh, what happened to STL anyway?
I think in terms of rules of characters, having at least one character for current people who posts is nice, so would say keep the Librarian on board.
Ham Boy would work for me if you bring Fashion Accessory with him please.








thud and Cressida have the most appeal of these three to me. But all have been fine Legionnaires before and could be again.



A pity his poster isn't around.










You know already I like reading about Sir Mumphrey. I'd settle for more WWII Mumph stories if nothing else. I'm still waiting to find out what happened with the tale of Sir Mumphry and the Khoi-Lar Ruby guest starring Edwina Mountbatten.

*ahem*

Anyway, FA would be fun as I already mentioned.
And as Vinnie is the new Sorcerer Supreme we need to read more about him so being in the LL can't hurt.










They've all been great Legionnaires before and could be again.



Sure if Donar isn't.






I think Sally needs to join.
Particularly now that she is in the banner.



Again, has been good before, but can you keep the old Legionnaries fresh or would we just be going over old ground?








It's high time we had Anvil Man join!




OK, here is my team suggestion. In the manner of Lee and Kirby.

Leader: CSFB!
Field Leader: Yuki
Fashion Accessory
Kerry Shepherdson (she really needs a code name. Pyro Mania?)
Denial
Anvil Man
Hallie
Silicone Sally
Al B. Harper
Silver Ageis

Associates:
Librarian
Visionary
Vinnie De Soth


Or for something really radical the new team should be:

Leader: Hooded Hood
Rabid Wolf
Alcheman
Liu Xi Xian

Sorry... I had to make a 2nd trip to the DMV because I didn't quite have all of the identification I needed with me to get a license after moving back to PA. Long day, but now I'm legal again.


> > My response should of course be "Untold Tales #335: Dinner and a Show", and in response to Vizh's excellent artwork I have just squeezed out another 3500 words of it. Unfortunately it's proving to be the most difficult thing I've had to write for quite a while and it's not short. I'm going to take a break now before tackling Lara and Co's exploits in the next scene.

Sounds suitably epic... I look forward to reading it!

> > Vizh isn't wrong in his estimation that all of the characters in his banner could be in the next chapter. Most of them already are. And I'm taking requests.

Well, the banner certainly shows some of my preferences. Mostly, I like to see the support staff when appropriate.





> > Of course it's not just up to me anyhow; but at the moment I'm the only person really writing the Lair Legion regularly and I'd really like a roster I'm comfortable with to encourage me.

I think, with your record of actually writing about them, you're certainly the most qualified to give any line-up the "official" stamp. Don't hesitate to go with what will encourage you.

> > So, without any guarantees that I'll actually use this, I'd like folks to comment on the following possible candidates for Legionnaires (grouped by poster)

Visionary
Hallie
Fleabot

Technically, Fleabot is one of spiffy's characters that I just drafted into my cast... but I get why he's on my list. I've suggested before that I wouldn't mind seeing Hallie bumped up to full Legionnaire, with Visionary in his ambassador role (perhaps with his own support staff).

Hatman
Rabid Wolf
Gamma Ray Gary

Hatty should remain, I think. Rabid Wolf is kind of your character, and I certainly think you should have one on the roster that you feel free to treat however you like... she'd be an interesting addition. I like Gamma Ray Gary, but I don't see how he interacts with the rest of the cast right now.


CrazySugarFreakBoy!
Pelopia
Glitch

I think CSFB should stay, certainly. Glitch could be fun, and while we might be leaning too heavily to tech/robotic characters on the line-up that's not really a reason not to consider her. No reason robots need to be a token presence, after all...

Mr Epitome
Glory
Alcheman
Silver Aegis

Mr. E and Glory are my first choices (both of them, preferably.) Alcheman could be a lot of fun, especially as how it will affect his family and bring them into contact with the rest of the team. I'm not sure how Aegis would interact with the rest of the team... it almost seems a shame to take him out of his own classically themed issues, but it could work out really well too. Either way, I want to see the rest of that U-Wolf story.


Al B. Harper
Cho Cho Futago (Butterfly Twins)
Night Nurse

Al B. should definitely stay. I don't know what to do with the Butterfly Twins, but that could be hilarious as well. However, I think the Night Nurse is a strong contender for membership... I like that idea.

Yuki Shiro
Lara Night
Liu Xi Xian
Anna

Nobody has kept the PV spinning in stories like Jason has over the last year or so, and so I think his characters have the strongest justification for a multiple-character presence on the team. My vote is for Yuki to stay and Lui Xi to be added. Out of all the candidates, Lui Xi has the most history and interaction with the team.

The Manga Shoggoth

I think he's a keeper... however, if a shake-up is desired, perhaps a change in the Shoggoth's status quo or even his basic nature could fun to explore. No specific ideas, but with something as unfathomable as MS, his return could really lead to most anything.

Dancer
Kerry Shepherdson
Danny Lyle

I'm always sad when Dancer isn't on the team. I'm a bit frightened by the idea of Kerry on the team, but it could be fun.

The Librarian
Ham-Boy
Semi-Transparent Lad

The Librarian has offered some unique solutions over his membership. Of the group, I'd prefer to keep him.


spiffy

ManMan & Knifey

dull thud & Cressida

This is a really fun group of characters (and I realize that they weren't actually all grouped.) I'd love any and all of them on the team again, whether it can be justified by character participation or not.


Icy

Icy has some of that fun Yo innocence and unique powers.


Sir Mumphrey Wilton
Fashion Accessory
Vinnie De Soth
Tom Black

I like them all (well, Black's a rat bastard, but since Regret hangs around him...) Fashion Accessory and Vinnie would be a fun combo to add to the team, and Mumph is always welcome back.


Donar
Harlagaz

Love having Donar on the team. 'Gaz is a fun substitute, but I prefer the original.


Yo

Aw. I miss Yo.


Nats

Nats pokes his head in often enough that he should be strongly considered... but I also like the set-up you have for him.


Messenger

I would enjoy Messy's return. It does sound like the character has a big comeback in the works.


Baroness Zemo
Silicone Sally

I put Sally in the picture because I think she could be fun, and to get JJJ some banner-space.


Lisa Waltz
I love Lisa, but I think her current status quo suits her.


Champagne

Champagne is a fun character with an interesting angle and could be a great addition. Right now, I'm not sure I could get a quick handle on how to write the character, but that should stop others.


The inconvievable Yurt
Anvil Man

As long as I'm not responsible for the insurance premiums...


I'll have to give some thought to write-in possibilities. Personally, I think that Mary Prankstar is fun to write, but that may just be me...

I intend to have another go at it tomorrow. I reckon I'm 60% done.







Rhiannon's away this weekend but I'll ask her when she gets back.






















Not without Mumphrey shooting him. It'd literally be over his dead body.

Actually I'm against the idea of archvillains joining hero teams, as with Magneto in the X-Men. An aantagonist designed to be powerful and dangerous enough to threaten an entire team has to be seriously watered down to fit with the group they previously menaced. And then you just need another archvillain.




Shrike would be good on some kind of Suicode Squad deal, bu he'd have to have some serious coercion to tag along on LL missions.







Maybe not.










In personality terms we're missing someone to make bitchy/snarky comments, we're missing someone to be dark and brooding, and we're missing a young romantic male lead that's unattached. In team combat dynamics we're short of the one-useful-power types like G-Eyed, Cressida, Exile, DBS. The team's also short on in-your-face brawlers right now; only Yuki fills that niche in the absence of Epitome, Hatman, Donar, and Finny.




I have two worries. The first is that sometimes posters have felt they can't write their own characters after I've worked extensivey on them. The second is that if characters get "donated" to me (or to the board in general) it becomes very self-indulgent to use them all the time since I'm effectively populating the team with characters I now control.

For example, I could write a real fun team with a line up of Mumph with DBS, thuddy, Kerry, Danny, Vinnie, FA, Gaz, Ham-Boy, and Anvil Man, with associates Champagne, Night Nurse, and Tom Black. I'm not sure it would be much fun for everybody else once the novelty worse off.




Proeed.







I once considered allowing an extra member for every 200 stories the poster did. I reckon that qualifies Vizh, Jason, KS, AG, and me. Actually I get four characters by that rule.







I'd like to keep both poster and character Hatty around, but he's had a fair run as LL leader now so I'm wondering if there are ways of moving him sideways.










Plus it's weird writing a Zdenka/Jay romance when poster-Jay's married. It's the same problem I had with the Jay/Whitney romance when Whit got hitched.







My problem with this - and Kirk certainly deserves it - is that CSFB! could be a lot less fun in a leadership role. Once you've had the joy of him outraging the establishment, pantsing Garrick etc., he's still the guy who has to call DBS to order for seducing Samantha or something, and that's just not him.




We do have a wealth of robotic women.







Aussie diplomacy.






I think Shrike tries for a very specific silver age feel for Aegis' stories. He's been unhappy before when I've put SA into situations which are grittier and grimmer. LL members realy have to be able to survive any kind of story from very silly to full-on tragic.







I'm considering them for the new Juniors line-up; assuming there is a Juniors.




It would be a shame to take her from ER but she's a fun protagonist too.








I think with the line-up we can either go for an "all star" team and pull in former members even though theirnposters are rare - drag back Donar, G-Eyed, Messy, thud, Troia, Ziles, Yo - or we could do a "Cap's kooky quartet" and dump almost the entire current membership for newbies like Liu Xi. I'm having trouble imagining how to reconcile the two approaches.

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I think in terms of rules of characters, having at least one character for current people who posts is nice, so would say keep the Librarian on board.

I think his poster is fairly bored with him. He keeps threatening to kill him off.

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They're just good friends. Well, friends. Well, they know each other.

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I guess you must have missed the ending to that one being posted.

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Noted.

Ah yes, more suggestions. Forgot to do these.

Ebony:
With The Shoggoth boiled away to nothing by the Carnifex the now Shoggoth-less Priestess of The Shoggoth needs something to do. Joining the Legion and being aloof while searching for her missing Shoggoth makes sense. And she can bop people on the head with her staff.

Aella or Lilly Woodside:
Because all posters should have a character in the Lair Legion.

The Bonsai Kittens:
Because it will cause insanity.

OK maybe not that last suggestion.

> > Ebony:
With The Shoggoth boiled away to nothing by the Carnifex the now Shoggoth-less Priestess of The Shoggoth needs something to do. Joining the Legion and being aloof while searching for her missing Shoggoth makes sense. And she can bop people on the head with her staff.

I think she'd need a bit of a power-boost, but I really like the idea.



> > Aella or Lilly Woodside:
Because all posters should have a character in the Lair Legion.

Hear hear... I had originally thought of doing a banner with everyone represented who had posted on the front page, but I didn't think I could work Rhiannon's characters in (and have them be recognized.) I also couldn't find the micro version of Nitz the Bloody, so he got left out as well, sadly.


> > The Bonsai Kittens:
Because it will cause insanity.

I think meetings would be fun with them and Glory on the same team.

It might be tricky to pull off appropriately, but Samantha is a clever enough girl that she could probably make it to the team in a secret identity without the rest of them being aware of her actual age. Or give her a psychic link with a really bad hero so that together they're actually effective. Or some much better ideas. In any event, I like the Sam suggestion.

> > That said Dancer and Nats are likely to vanish off the roster soon unless their posters show up and pipe up.

> > I note G-Eyed and Messy were around this week though...


I note posts by Nats, Nitz, Goldeneyed, spiffy and Messy all in the last week, and Donar posted on January 11th. That's encouraging.

Why, that's enough to post a chunk isn't it? *hopeful*
Really, take your time, we'll be here waiting for it.




I'll be impressed if she or anyone else can recall.







Yes true. And we have just had the Carnifex as a member. Still...if we're short on members....





Miss Framlicker (though, what else will she do exactly?)
Hooded Hood
Denial
Kerry
Ebony (well, more aloof rather than bitchy)
Baroness
Silicone Sally
PAPG! ?

Or...Bring Back Hacker 9!!





Vinnie
Anvil Man at a stretch
Urthula Underess could be dark...but not really brooding...

Or...Hacker 9?




Hmm...

Vinnie
STL or Hamboy
Urban Druid if his writer ever gets around to writing more.
Anvil Man

*ahem*

Hacker 9.




Hacker 9?

I would like to see an occult character. So Vinnie works too.




Anvil Man is a good one for that.

But I think I am now going to work on a "Bring Back Hacker 9" campaign.




Well, you can really only control or have influence over the second of your worries (the self-indulgence one) and you've never let it get out of had before while writing Mumph in the team or the Juniors, so why worry it will start now?

As for the first worry, hmm, there isn't a lot you can do about other posters feelings. Other than not write anyone else into the team but your own characters. Which isn't an option either. It's a risk that has to be taken. You can only take advice when given, and there are only a few here who have given advice on what they want and don't want for their characters. So go with that and use the rest as you see fit till requested otherwise I suggest.




I'd read it! And as long as Kerry-Danny plots don't dominate every chapter I'm sure I'd enjoy it. But yes, I see what you mean.





Ha! I get what, negative 4? See ya Al B. *sobs*




Being stuck in that space-time-warp thing isn't permanent?





Yeah. It seems that's all over though and Zdenka is now with Mark.




It would be challenging to resolve those situations. He wouldn't be the one to call DBS on it sure. Be interesting to see what does happen though instead.




Hey it was the Brits who came up with that. Monty Python.




Yeah, thinking on it more I can see that.

It would be challenging to give her a power boost and have her remain Ebony though. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to boost her at all. It's not like having powers is a pre-req to join the LL - look at Visionary!

One character who a power boost might work for is Marie. Have her gain the ability to transform into uber-banshee form when she is mad. Like the old Hulk.

Or does she have that power already?

> > It would be challenging to give her a power boost and have her remain Ebony though. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to boost her at all. It's not like having powers is a pre-req to join the LL - look at Visionary!

I'm not going to be the writer to humiliate Ebony like we do Visionary. Having the Hooded Hood gunning for us is worrying enough.

> > One character who a power boost might work for is Marie. Have her gain the ability to transform into uber-banshee form when she is mad. Like the old Hulk.

Or being able to turn "ghostly" and pass through walls and such. That's a cool super hero power. Not that I'm biased.


By the way, wasn't Madam Magica the gypsy that helped in the "Incredible Voyage" to check out Vizh's new heart in your epilogue to Heart of Darkness? I'll have to go check to confirm it...

I really like that idea. Citizen Z Version 3.0, perhaps?

Totally understandable, though a shame if it happens.





To be honest, story-wise its almost an insult to her that she's not on the team, given how much she helps the roster.







She's gone through as much trauma as many of the heroes in the PVB. And I quite liked Vizh's suggestion of her adopting a Secret ID so no one, not even Mumph, knows she's on the team.








I really miss him as well. The cocky marksman is one of my favorite archetypes, and if he hadn't been around when I first joined the board that's the type of character I would have introduced.

Another character I had always had on my fantasy Legion roster but forgot about until his creator showed up was Goldeneyed. Great powers, plus it would give the team a dark, brooding type it probably needs to stir things up.

Its not just you. I like the character as well.

On somewhat related topic, have you had a chance to pick up any of Gotham City Sirens? Its a good, albeit uneven, book.

I haven't... I don't even know where there's a comic shop here in Pennsylvania (now that I'm living here again.) It wouldn't take much arm twisting to get me to try a book with the cast that title suggests though, even if I've read very little DC in my life. Does it have any collections published yet? I'm pretty much down to just Fables paperbacks ordered from Amazon.

Back on the roster possibilities, if we can't have any of your lead characters on the LL, what about someone like Ukuleleeeee? It'd be fun to have a sea monkey on the team again, and she brings the bitchiness...

Of course, the Idiom would be awesome as well... but I'd rather see her supporting new Epitome adventures.

According to Amazon there is a hardcover due out the end of April, which by the page length I'm guessing reprints the first eight issues. For the price (less than $14) that's a pretty good deal.