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Subj: Well, where I am, then.
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 at 05:29:13 pm EST (Viewed 5 times)
Reply Subj: It depends where you are.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 at 12:01:48 pm EST (Viewed 548 times)



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      In Western culture it was somewhat class and income dependent. "I am a real character. You are eccentric. He is mad." In less scientific cultures, supernatural problems were ascribed.



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    It also had to do with social status too - generally a brilliant inventor that shuns social interaction to work on their inventions would be widely considered to be mad. They usually weren't terribly successful, either, for lack of that interaction.


Some of it may stem from the Renaissance's clerical suspicion of science as "replacing God".


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      Or course, in a fictional universe where there are evil spirits, demons, and sanity-shattering non-Euclidean elder gods, madness becmes a somewhat different range of conditions that may include some accurate traditional diagnoses. Faite, as you have pointed out, does not merely think she sees far off events, and so when she acts based upon that enhanced perception she may seem mad but is not.



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    True, but also madness is often used to dismiss what people don't understand. If Faite insists she changed things and averted disaster, but people around her don't actually see the change, even in a fictional universe they might think she's lost it. She doesn't mind that, because such non-invasive changes means she's doing her job correctly. If she has to make obvious, sweeping changes, something has gone horribly wrong.


"Doing her job" implies someone gave her a job?


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    The entire concept of steampunk comes from that. It's mechanical engineering gone awry, to the point of...madness. A mechanic's worst nightmare or craziest dream.


And very entertaining the best of it is.


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    And yes I'm using the word correctly, because before automobiles, a "mechanic" is anyone who works with mechanized systems, from those who build it to those who maintain it.


That usage is still unremarkable in the UK.


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    Mental Illness or "madness" is the basis of horror simply because most of us have an intense fear of suddenly losing our minds. Even more so of encountering something that causes an instant loss of mental facilities.


True.


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      That's an interesting thesis. I don't know enough about Asian literature to take a view.



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    Basically their most popular stories are not the greek-style bigger than life hero who goes through trials and fights to win, like in Western culture. Theirs are all about a struggle against futility - very often a losing struggle - and self-sacrifice. A common story there is a complete unknown hero who comes out of the masses, fights, loses and dies, but is remembered for what they've done.



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    An oddly modern anime that parallels that is Tokyo Godfathers. It's a group of homeless people who find a baby, go on a crazy journey to return it to its mother, and end up preventing a suicide. They touched a lot of people's lives, but at the end they're still homeless and disrespected.


How does that feed back into your earlier point about morally ambiguous Asian protagonists?


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      Of course, like many manipulators, the Hood uses information and truth as tools or weapons.



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    Like the Spanish Inquisition? Nobody expects them, either.


The Hood tends to less comfy cushions.


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      Liu Xi can take some comfort in knowing that she is no less picked on than many others including many of her friends. Indeed, she is fortunate that much of the Hood's agenda for her is discernable.



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    She's probably irritated that all of the plots she's in involve her losing her clothing.


That may be a general side-effects of appearing in Untold Tales.






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